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Old 02-07-2019, 01:05 AM   #9548
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Post #9299 ... we constantly observe in this universe things that go out of existence, and things that come into existence; ...
No, we do not. That would violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. Things do not "go out of existence" and "come into existence." When an electron and a positron collide they become two photons with the same energy and momenta as before. Burn natural gas in an oxygen atmosphere and you get water and carbon dioxide. Energy and momentum are conserved. The list of such phenomena is virtually endless. If you want an example on a more worldly level, houses are built of wood, nails, etc. None of these components magically wink into existence. If the house is demolished we are left with a pile of trash. It does not magically disappear.

Can you give an example of something that has been observed going out of existence or going out of existence?

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... therefore, we see immediately that Actor's proposition violates two laws of logic: The Law of Identity and the Law of Noncontradiction.
I have just demonstrated that it does not.

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On the other hand, if you and your bud Actor do not accept the definition of "universe" ...
From M-W

postulate verb: to assume or claim as true, existent, or necessary.

If you delete the word postulated then your definition is acceptable. Not very elegant since the definition of postulate uses the word assume, but acceptable.
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