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Originally Posted by JohnGalt1
Bill or Scott Finley wrote a book about synthetic surfaces where he concluded that synthetic was more similar to dirt than turf.
I have success treating them equally after track to track par conversion.
From Cynthia par book--
A $10k open claimer at Belmont runs the same final 6 furlong 1:11.0 speed as a $10k claimer at Woodbine. But the Belmont sprinter is 22.3 and 45.4 compared to 23.0 and 46.0 at Woodbine.
I don't use turf lines for dirt races and vice versa.
Belmont 6f turf for $10k claimers is 22.1, 44.1, and 1:08.2. Which is not comparable at all to dirt or synthetic, so I don't.
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Actually, it has been shown $10K claimers at one track are not necessarily of the same value as $10K at all other tracks. However, this is irrelevant since you are using the same final time to compare and see which track /surface has the higher pace with the same final time. This shows that dirt tracks are ridden with a faster pace than AWs for the same final time.
The time for the pace times and final times are faster for turf races.
In the Belmont dirt race the 1st quarter is .4 see faster than even pace while the half is run at 1.9 sec faster than even pace.
In the Woodbine race the 1st quarter is run.7 sec slower than even pace and the half .3 sec slower at the half than even pace.
In the Belmont turf race the was run .6 faster than even pace and the half was run 1.4 sec faster than even pace.
Apparently the Belmont dirt race was run in faster fractions then the Woodbine AW race relative to the final time at both the quarter and half mile points, and about as fast at the pace calls as the Belmont turf race
The Belmont grass race was run at about he same splits at both the quarter and half relative to its final time as the Belmont dirt race, but faster than the Woodbine race at both pace calls.
The Woodbine AW race was run slower at both pace calls relative to its final time than either the Belmont dirt or grass race.
This is mostly likely due to the riders' strategies concerning the different surfaces. Remember also that we are dealing with 2 different rider colonies.
This seems that both Belmont grass and dirt races are run to faster paces than Woodbine AW races relative to final time. A bit surprising that since dirt and grass seem more similar to each other than to the AW surface, it is more commonly believed that grass races would have the slower paces along with the AW races, so this bears further investigation. I would like to see the comparisons between the 3 surfaces at the same track with the same jockey colonies.
