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Originally Posted by LoneF
Justify gets a 107 beyer for winning a slow Santa Anita derby where he got a easy pace scenario to work with and Good Magic gets a 95 beyer after a solid win in the Bluegrass and having to navigate a tough outside post.
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- Santa Anita Derby was faster than the Bluegrass
- Good Magic had a much easier task (running down allowance level performances) than playing catch-me-if-you-can in front of a stakes performance.
- Bolt d'Oro ran faster than Good Magic and never really threatened Justify.
- Santa Anita Derby did not have an easy pace scenario.
- Beyers are not even supposed to even consider ground loss or pace
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Originally Posted by f2tornado
One problem with SA that day is there was only one other dirt route that day and it was the Oaks.
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Originally Posted by cj
There were three.
As I've mentioned, Santa Anita has been much slower the past year than it usually is. Historical comparisons using raw times will be pretty useless IMO.
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Originally Posted by Afleet
SA Derby 1:49.72
Wood Memorial 1:49.79
So a slow playing SA is as slow as Aqu after a winter type weather?
Seems impossible to believe and Justify was loose on an uncontested lead
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Old Time Revival was loose on an uncontested lead in the Wood Memorial.
Does that somehow make the figure for Vino Rossi 'impossible to believe'?
It's fun to compare, and it's difficult to compare with the understanding that raw times are worthless without adjusting for variants, but trying to compare things like raw fractions and final 3/8 is a fools errand. You've got CJ here posting the timeformUS pace figs and final figure for all of these preps. Use it!
