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09-03-2019, 12:01 PM
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Margin of error is a statistical metric.
hcp - what is it?
Assuming, of course, all measuring protocols have been followed, including calibration of measuring equipment. Remember that article I posted a few years ago showing this not to be the case.
But what is the MOE?
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09-03-2019, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by xtb
Lots of gobbledegook. Ranges of anomalies are not margins of error.
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No. Not gobbledegook. Margins of error according to the link I gave you are called precision and they are denoted by plus or minus "x" amount of precision
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You constantly give us global average temps before 1880. You cannot give us the margins of error for the measurements in 1880.
From your link:
"The monthly analysis begins January 1854, but due to very sparse data, no global averages are computed before 1880. With more observations after 1880, the signal is stronger and more consistent over time."
You are always cherry picking, and from different sources, to attempt to support your claims.
Zilly told us about the "data from thousands of surface monitoring stations worldwide, including ocean buoys in the Pacific and land-based thermometers dotting the continents." This may be true today but in 1880, that was certainly not true. The measuring of temperature around the earth has not been consistent at all. The precision of today using remote stations in unpopulated areas cannot be compared to even 50 years ago.
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You took it out of context and misread it..
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Land surface temperatures are available from the Global Historical Climate Network-Monthly (GHCNm). Sea surface temperatures are determined using the extended reconstructed sea surface temperature (ERSST) analysis. ERSST uses the most recently available International Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set (ICOADS) and statistical methods that allow stable reconstruction using sparse data. The monthly analysis begins January 1854, but due to very sparse data, no global averages are computed before 1880. With more observations after 1880, the signal is stronger and more consistent over time.
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Sop the process of reconstructing thru proxy data to estimate temperatures began then, but the science was young. Later AND AFTER 1880 it got a hell of a lot better.
There are more ways to accurately estimate proxy date......Other
than ERSST and (ICOADS).
Proxy (climate)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)
("paleoclimatology"),[1] climate proxies are preserved physical characteristics of the past that stand in for direct meteorological measurements[2] and enable scientists to reconstruct the climatic conditions over a longer fraction of the Earth's history. Reliable global records of climate only began in the 1880s, and proxies provide the only means for scientists to determine climatic patterns before record-keeping began.
....Examples of proxies include ice cores, tree rings, sub-fossil pollen, boreholes, corals, lake and ocean sediments, and carbonate speleothems. The character of deposition or rate of growth of the proxies' material has been influenced by the climatic conditions of the time in which they were laid down or grew. Chemical traces produced by climatic changes, such as quantities of particular isotopes, can be recovered from proxies. Some proxies, such as gas bubbles trapped in ice, enable traces of the ancient atmosphere to be recovered and measured directly to provide a history of fluctuations in the composition of the Earth's atmosphere.[3] To produce the most precise results, systematic cross-verification between proxy indicators is necessary for accuracy in readings and record-keeping.[4]
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09-03-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Margin of error is a statistical metric.
hcp - what is it?
Assuming, of course, all measuring protocols have been followed, including calibration of measuring equipment. Remember that article I posted a few years ago showing this not to be the case.
But what is the MOE?
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Read my earlier post on
Global Temperature Uncertainty.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring...-precision.php
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09-03-2019, 01:41 PM
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Aww...how familial. Like father like sons -- keeping it all snug and close in the family.  |
Well, you're one of the reasons why I converted... 
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09-03-2019, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Well, you're one of the reasons why I converted... |
Nah...you two always shared the same "father".
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09-03-2019, 02:42 PM
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Nah...you two always shared the same "father". |
You have it all figured out. Too bad many of your posts on here do the bidding of the "father" you speak of...you're just too immersed in your ego to notice.
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09-03-2019, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You have it all figured out. Too bad many of your posts on here do the bidding of the "father" you speak of...you're just too immersed in your ego to notice.
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Nah...I'm not on the team of your "father". Nice try at projecting, though.
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09-03-2019, 03:06 PM
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No thanks.
You just answered the question. 
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09-03-2019, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Excuse me as I ignore you. The last few barely substantive posts you made on AGW, were neither substantive or correct, just like this "gem" of misconception and ignorance.
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I will take this as walking back your stance on global warming. You must have gotten the word from the 'mother ship.' Here is a press release of the memo. It looks like your cottage industry has ended. I will except your surrender unconditionally.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate...limate-crisis/
https://climatechangedispatch.com/ac...arming-debate/
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09-03-2019, 03:17 PM
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Nah...I'm not on the team of your "father". Nice try at projecting, though.
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Except I didn't project. But that was your goal. You think you're so coy. Your silliness and your transparency knows no limit.
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09-03-2019, 03:42 PM
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Having a debate, Dems or Pugs on AGW changes nothing about it's validity
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09-03-2019, 03:44 PM
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It speaks volumes.
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09-03-2019, 03:44 PM
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No thanks.
You just answered the question. |
I did, but it sailed way over your head.
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09-03-2019, 06:54 PM
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Except I didn't project. But that was your goal. You think you're so coy. Your silliness and your transparency knows no limit.
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And if either or both were true, they would sitll pale by comparison to your duplicity.
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09-03-2019, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by boxcar
And if either or both were true, they would sitll pale by comparison to your duplicity.
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More word games. Boring.
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