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Old 05-23-2018, 09:50 AM   #16
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You do realize that Clapper's opinion is diametrically opposed to what Obama had said about our elections being tampered with, right?
What are you babbling about? Quote where Obama said elections were not tampered with.
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But...specifically, just what SPECIFIC things did those pesky Ruskies do to actually influence the outcome of the election. What is the QUANTITATIVE proof that those diabolically clever Ruskies turned "x" amount of votes to Trump? Just how many votes did they turn. I mean...the evidence is just overwhelmingly "staggering" right? The quantitative proof should be easy to come up with.
Read the article and video I posted. We all know Clinton won the popular vote by close to 3 million, and
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As many of us thought, Clapper confirms.....

"Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russian."
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:54 AM   #17
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Cappy doesn't try hard enough for the Team. He disappoints me.
Trump and all you Trumpeteers have lied constantly. The "Team" is tired of the Bull.

Another reason to let Mueller continue.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:58 AM   #18
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Trump lied but no one died.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:02 AM   #19
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Whatever makes his butt hurt less.

Influenced how? I can never get a clear answer.

I have no doubt that more more votes than that were illegally cast for Clinton, too.
And you will never will get that "clear answer" either. The whole "Russia collusion" thing is fake -- made up out of whole cloth by the Left.
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Full Clapper: 'No Evidence' of Collusion Between Trump and Russia
He has never said that "collusion" was clear. And the latest things he said was that....

http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-rus...l-chief-940086

"Clapper does not go so far as to state that Trump colluded with Russia, but describes the president’s attitude in face of evidence of Russian interference as one of “aggressive indifference."

Evidence for collusion is only a matter of time.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:07 AM   #21
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Trump lied but no one died.
The republican party died, and now Trumpeteers are trying to kill everyone else.
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He has never said that "collusion" was clear. And the latest things he said was that....

http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-rus...l-chief-940086

"Clapper does not go so far as to state that Trump colluded with Russia, but describes the president’s attitude in face of evidence of Russian interference as one of “aggressive indifference."

Evidence for collusion is only a matter of time.
"Aggressive indifference"? What in the world is that!?

But answer the questions I put to you earlier. SPECIFICALLY: How did the Ruskies influence the outcome of the election? And SPECIFICALLY: How many voters did they influence to vote for Trump over Hillary? Where is the quantitative proof?
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:06 AM   #23
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But answer the questions I put to you earlier. SPECIFICALLY: How did the Ruskies influence the outcome of the election? And SPECIFICALLY: How many voters did they influence to vote for Trump over Hillary? Where is the quantitative proof?
Read the article. Watch the video.

The quantitative proof? Clapper did not write a scientific paper, but Trump and all his supporters never do either, but they lie constantly. I'd rather go with Clapper.

https://artofthelie.org/

...Trump makes false and misleading claims and states untruths on an almost daily basis. A New York Times study found that President Trump made “demonstrably false statements on at least 20 of his first 40 days as President,” and “said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency.” 1 The Times study stated, “There is simply no precedent for an American president to spend so much time telling untruths. Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers. No other president — of either party — has behaved as Trump is behaving. He is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant.”

We know of no president in the history of the country, other than Donald Trump, who has:

Told more than 2,100 lies, false and misleading statements and untruths in his first year in office, an average of nearly 5.9 per day;
Attacked the media as an “enemy of the American people,” placing Trump in direct conflict with founders John Adams and Thomas Jefferson;
Attacked his own law enforcement and intelligence agencies;
Attacked our strongest foreign allies while embracing our major foreign adversaries;
Sided with a major adversary over the consensus views of his own intelligence agencies;
Attacked the FBI as the “worst in history,” and accused an FBI agent of “treason” for the “crime” of making negative comments about him;
Asserted an “absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department,” a right Trump does not have;
Attacked the entire court system as “broken and unfair”;
Attacked judges repeatedly for decisions which he disagreed with;
Refused to divest his vast business holdings, leaving him with massive conflicts of interest and major Emolument Clause problems;
Falsely claimed that millions of individuals voted illegally in the presidential election to explain losing the popular election by nearly 2.9 million votes.

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Old 05-23-2018, 11:17 AM   #24
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Read the article. Watch the video.

The quantitative proof? Clapper did not write a scientific paper, but Trump and all his supporters never do either, but they lie constantly. I'd rather go with Clapper.

https://artofthelie.org/

...Trump makes false and misleading claims and states untruths on an almost daily basis. A New York Times study found that President Trump made “demonstrably false statements on at least 20 of his first 40 days as President,” and “said something untrue, in public, every day for the first 40 days of his presidency.” 1 The Times study stated, “There is simply no precedent for an American president to spend so much time telling untruths. Every president has shaded the truth or told occasional whoppers. No other president — of either party — has behaved as Trump is behaving. He is trying to create an atmosphere in which reality is irrelevant.”

We know of no president in the history of the country, other than Donald Trump, who has:

Told more than 2,100 lies, false and misleading statements and untruths in his first year in office, an average of nearly 5.9 per day;
Attacked the media as an “enemy of the American people,” placing Trump in direct conflict with founders John Adams and Thomas Jefferson;
Attacked his own law enforcement and intelligence agencies;
Attacked our strongest foreign allies while embracing our major foreign adversaries;
Sided with a major adversary over the consensus views of his own intelligence agencies;
Attacked the FBI as the “worst in history,” and accused an FBI agent of “treason” for the “crime” of making negative comments about him;
Asserted an “absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department,” a right Trump does not have;
Attacked the entire court system as “broken and unfair”;
Attacked judges repeatedly for decisions which he disagreed with;
Refused to divest his vast business holdings, leaving him with massive conflicts of interest and major Emolument Clause problems;
Falsely claimed that millions of individuals voted illegally in the presidential election to explain losing the popular election by nearly 2.9 million votes.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/trum...e-stories.html


The man surrounds himself in lies.
Yet another example of Trump's pathological lying.
Leslie Stahl from CBS 60 Minutes states:

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Stahl said she and her boss met with Trump at his office in Trump Tower in Manhattan after the 2016 election in advance of a recorded sit-down interview for "60 Minutes.

"At one point, he started to attack the press," Stahl said. "There were no cameras in there."

"I said, 'You know, this is getting tired. Why are you doing it over and over? It's boring and it's time to end that. You know, you've won ... why do you keep hammering at this?'" Stahl recalled.

"And he said: 'You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.'"
Negative stories written about Trump are most often the truth.
He obviously can't handle that.

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Old 05-23-2018, 11:17 AM   #25
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Read the article. Watch the video.

The quantitative proof? Clapper did not write a scientific paper, but Trump and all his supporters never do either, but they lie constantly. I'd rather go with Clapper.
Dude...I hate to break it to you...nobody cares. Again.

This Clapper guy and all the CIA folks are the biggest bullshit artists in the world, and they are all in full CYA mode at this point. I would expect him to write nothing less in his book.

But again, I and a whole lot of other people don't give his words two ounces of credibility, and even if true (Putin trying to swing an election, even succeeding)...I couldn't care less.

Russia has been trying to swing elections since there has been a Cold War between the two countries...why haven't we heard about who they were trying to swing it for before?

Were they trying to swing it for Obama or McCain? Obama or Romney? Who have been their picks in the past? Surely they have had favorites before and made attempts at influencing the general electorate via covert means.

All of this is pure 100% bullshit when you try and make this as if it's something BRAND NEW and EXTRAORDINARY and only applying to Trump's victory.

The people with REAL INTELLIGENCE see through this constant propaganda of bullshit from the highest levels.

It's crude, but infinite butt hurt really does apply to you and people of your ilk over what happened in the last election. Jesus man...give it a rest already.
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:25 AM   #26
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Russia has been trying to swing elections since there has been a Cold War between the two countries...why haven't we heard about who they were trying to swing it for before?

Were they trying to swing it for Obama or McCain? Obama or Romney? Who have been their picks in the past? Surely they have had favorites before and made attempts at influencing the general electorate via covert means.
Maybe they were not as sophisticated as they are now, amd more likely Obnama and McCain were not as gullible and not so easily manipulated as da leader is!!!!!
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not so easily manipulated as da leader is!!!!!



Trump is in no way manipulated. The man is actually smart enough on his own. I am certain he enjoys trolling the left.

And that has you frustrated to no end
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:32 AM   #28
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The man surrounds himself in lies.
The Trumpeteers are falling apart. As Mueller and the investigation into his bro' Michael Cohen close in, these guys only bury their heads deeper in the sans.

Clapper is just the latest. More to come as traditional repugs realize more and more how they got royally screwed.
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:41 AM   #29
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Trump is in no way manipulated. The man is actually smart enough on his own. I am certain he enjoys trolling the left.

And that has you frustrated to no end
I forgot to add to my statement:
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Maybe they were not as sophisticated as they are now, amd more likely Obnama and McCain were not as gullible and not so easily manipulated as da leader is!!!!!
Nor as greedy and thoroughly corrupt !
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Well the fix was in for a Hillary Win They had all the ducks in a row... so when the socialist scheme to crown the dark queen failed... Rachel had a cow... Matthews tinkled down his leg as the snowflakes fell to the ground. How could it be they wailed. It could only be caused by Rush Ya... Russia instead of feed up folks like me.

So yes hcap show us the bar graph... the drunken left must have that unequivocally shows the number of vote turned. Hard facts not opinions or reviews of opinion pieces or hack hocking books.
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