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Lots off meat one that bone.
I'm sure someone could sit down and come up with a "model" or "system" that ignores mainstream factors and focuses on $$$ factors.
The material on Maiden Claimers alone is priceless.
STILL re-reading and absorbing the material.
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07-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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Lots off meat one that bone.
I'm sure someone could sit down and come up with a "model" or "system" that ignores mainstream factors and focuses on $$$ factors.
The material on Maiden Claimers alone is priceless.
STILL re-reading and absorbing the material.
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Agree - tons of info in book - quality last work stats/20 fur or more work pattern/fastest qtr L10 stats all insightful
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07-11-2019, 10:30 AM
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QWSLR - dynamite indicator.
One of HTR's big factors is the Razor WO, which this is not this, but comes from the same handicapping genius mind.
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07-11-2019, 10:41 AM
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What's Razor WO?
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07-11-2019, 10:52 AM
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What's Razor WO?
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Sounds like some sort of sharp work out 
QWSLR - Quality Workout Since Last Race ?
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07-11-2019, 10:54 AM
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Razor / Razor Sharp - a proprietary workout rating in HTR.
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07-11-2019, 10:57 AM
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QWSLR - Quality Workout Since Last Race ?
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Yes, Tom can correct me, but I believe Meadow defines a QWSLR as a 4f work in the top 10% of workers on the day or a 5f work in the top 20% of workers on the day
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07-11-2019, 11:06 AM
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Yes, Tom can correct me, but I believe Meadow defines a QWSLR as a 4f work in the top 10% of workers on the day or a 5f work in the top 20% of workers on the day
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this is why this game is so fun.....
Is it speed of the workout?
Is it how the trainer trains horses?
Is it how the horse runs?
Theres a few theories that you need to look at beyond the rank of that work out
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07-11-2019, 11:11 AM
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Yes, Tom can correct me, but I believe Meadow defines a QWSLR as a 4f work in the top 10% of workers on the day or a 5f work in the top 20% of workers on the day
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Correct - within 21 days and sine the last race.
Razor = razor workout - details not revealed, only available in HTR.
Using the razor QW in conjunction with other factors is a good
tool. Say, third start off layoff, QW last week.
Endless ways to use it.
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07-11-2019, 11:12 AM
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this is why this game is so fun.....
Is it speed of the workout?
Is it how the trainer trains horses?
Is it how the horse runs?
Theres a few theories that you need to look at beyond the rank of that work out
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The book examines large datasets and attempts to find potentially profitable angles - can't disagree with any of your points, of course
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07-11-2019, 11:19 AM
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The book examines large datasets and attempts to find potentially profitable angles - can't disagree with any of your points, of course
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Thxs Sar Mike
When your doing this over 40 years you've seen it all....
With this case....heres one
3 excellent fast work outs ranks 1 & 2 for each day
Now look at the PP's
The horse shot to the lead in every race
ends up last in every race 
Quality Work Out?
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07-11-2019, 11:35 AM
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mikesal,
We can't expect to win every race. You can find 100 more examples like the one you just posted, and I could find 100 examples of a QWSLR that pointed to the winner. Statistics are never a replacement for good (common) horse sense. And horses don't race in isolation; what do the other horses' PPs look like? Statistics are static; racing is dynamic. As a handicapper you have to start somewhere, so why not a place that shows something positive?
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07-11-2019, 11:41 AM
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An average handicapper and superior bettor, beats a superior handicapper and an average bettor in the long term....
You want to UP your game?....Learn how to be a great bettor, especially in the horizontals. You'll never look back.
Elite players are superior in all phases of the endeavor.
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07-11-2019, 12:43 PM
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mikesal,
We can't expect to win every race. You can find 100 more examples like the one you just posted, and I could find 100 examples of a QWSLR that pointed to the winner. Statistics are never a replacement for good (common) horse sense. And horses don't race in isolation; what do the other horses' PPs look like? Statistics are static; racing is dynamic. As a handicapper you have to start somewhere, so why not a place that shows something positive?
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HH...
This would be a nice thread to start...
Todays QWSLR Horses....
When someone runs across one of these possibilities , just do a quick post...
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07-11-2019, 01:28 PM
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HH...
This would be a nice thread to start...
Todays QWSLR Horses....
When someone runs across one of these possibilities , just do a quick post... |
See Toga Playlong tread for today....
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