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Old 04-16-2017, 01:59 PM   #151
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Nitro's Hong Kong Betting Regime

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1) In case anyone is wondering how to structure a Quinella bet with
2 Key entries and 4 others (K1-K2 W/ A-B-C-D ) do the following:
K1/K2, K1/A, K1/B, K1/C, K1/D & K2/A, K2/B, K2/C, K2/D =
(9) Bets ($2 denominations or higher)

2) Because many of the Quinellas offer really good value itís sometime even worthwhile
(when the overall odds of the selected entries are reasonably high) to simply play all
of the Quinella combinations for all 6 picks: A-B-C-D-E-F
A w/B-C-D-E-FÖ. B w/C-D-E-FÖ.C w/D-E-FÖ.D w/E-FÖ..E w/F =
(15) Bets ($2 denominations or higher)

Either of these same structures above can be used with
the Quinella/Place bet which means:
1a) If either Key finishes 1st , 2nd , or 3rd and any of others finish in-the-money
with them you can potentially win 1 or all 3 Q/P bets or,
2a) If any of the (15) Quinellas chosen are used in the Quinella/Place bet you can also
potentially win 1 or all 3 Q/P bets.

3) Structuring a Triple is a bit more expensive,
but if the value is there then try the following with (K1-K2 W/ A-B-C-D ):
K1 / K2-A-B-C-D / K2-A-B-C-D = 20 Bets w/K1 as the Winner
K2-A-B-C-D / K1 / K2-A-B-C-D = 20 Bets w/K1 as the Placer
K2-A-B-C-D / K2-A-B-C-D / K1 = 20 Bets w/K1 in for Show (use only if value is there)
If you repeat this structure with K2 for Win & Place with the others itíll be 80 Bets,
but thereís potential to hit the Triple 2X if both are in the money.

4) I use a very simple Win Dutching calculator (for 2 or 3 entries) .
Itís in MS Excel format and it offers a number of things very quickly
after inputting the odds of the selected entries:
A) How much to bet on each entry relative to each other
B) Total Bet
C) Total Profit in $ and %
The Objective is to receive the same $ amount no matter which one wins."

Above Posted by Nitro on a Hong Kong Selection Thread

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Old 04-16-2017, 02:39 PM   #152
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Regime Format
$2 K1-K2 W/ A-B-C

WIN BETS
$2 K1 Win= $2
$2 K2 Win =$2

EXACTA BETS
$2 K1/ K2-A-B-C = $8
$2 K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $8

$2 K2/ K1-A-B-C = $8
$2 K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $8

TRIFECTA BETS
$2 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $24
$2 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $24
$2 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $24

$2 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $24
$2 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $24
$2 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $24

SUPERFECTA BETS

$2 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $48
$2 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $48
$2 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $48

$2 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $48
$2 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $48
$2 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $48


Win Bets
= $4
Exacta Bets= $32
Trifecta Bets= $144
Superfecta Bets= $288
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Total Wager Cost= $468
$2 K1-K2/A-B-C Regime


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Old 04-16-2017, 06:51 PM   #153
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Nitro's K1-K2/ A-B-C Wager Format (Low Buy-In)

K1-K2 W/ A-B-C

WIN BETS
$2 K1 Win= $2
$2 K2 Win =$2

EXACTA BETS
$1 K1/ K2-A-B-C = $4
$1 K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $4

$1 K2/ K1-A-B-C = $4
$1 K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $4

TRIFECTA BETS
$.50 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $6

$.50 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $6

SUPERFECTA BETS
$.10 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40

$.10 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40

Win Bets
= $4
Exacta Bets= $16
Trifecta Bets= $32
Superfecta Bets= $14.40
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Total Wagers Cost= $66.40
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:18 PM   #154
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K1-K2 W/ A-B-C

K1-K2 Prime Wager Sets

K1 Prime Wager Set
$2 K1 Win= $2
$1 K1/ K2-A-B-C = $4
$.50 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.10 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
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Total Wagers Cost $14.40

K2 Prime Wager Set
$2 K2 Win =$2
$1 K2/ K1-A-B-C = $4
$.50 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $6
$.10 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
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Total Wagers Cost $14.40

Total Cost:
K1-K2 Prime Wager Sets
$28.80
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:46 PM   #155
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Bet Regime: Win 50% Exacta 25% Exotic 25%

K1 K2 Prime Wager Set

Win 50%
$25 K1 Win = $25
$25 K2 Win = $25

Exacta 25%

$3 K1/ K2-A-B-C = $12
$3 K2/ K1-A-B-C = $12

Exotics 25%
$.50 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $6

$.10 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40

$.10 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
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Total Wagers Cost $100.40

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Old 04-16-2017, 11:09 PM   #156
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Realm Work

Win 50%
$25 Win = $25
$25 Win = $25

Exacta 25%

$3 / = $12
$3 / = $12

Exotics 25%
$.50 / / = $6
$.50 / / = $6

$.10 / / / = $2.40
$.10 / / / = $2.40
$.10 / / / = $2.40

$.10 / / / = $2.40
$.10 / / / = $2.40
$.10 / / / = $2.40
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Total Wagers Cost $100.40

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Old 04-16-2017, 11:32 PM   #157
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:50 PM   #158
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Nitro's Pick's For Oaklawn 4/15/17 Evaluation
Saturday Closing Day

Race : Numbers : Prophecy : Result
-Amount Bet +Wager Gains
---------------------------------------------------------
1] 67/10,83 6-3-1-7
-$468 +6.4 +24.2


2] 3,11/69,13 9-5-6-1
-$468


3] 86/419 8-3-6-4
-$468 +4.4


4] 82/917 9-7-8-2
-$468 +169.6 +536.6


5] Pass

6] 52/93,11 4-1-9-5
-$468


7] 86/329 8-9-6-5
-$468 +3.0 +32.0 +32.0 +147.0 +147.0


8] 31/75 1-3-7-2
-$100 +7.8 +23.0 +108.8 +108.8

9] 34/15 5-2-3-4
-$100

10] 47/10,68 7-9-6-4
-$468 +6.6

11] 12,2/9,11,7 2-11-6-7
-$468 +5.8 +100.2

12] 16/578 6 5-1-8
-$468 +15.6 +68.6 +262.4 +262.4 + 1,416.2 +1,416.2


-$4,412 Cost of Regime Wagers

+$4,537 Gains (from above)
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$125.0 Net Gain
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Iím going to give Oaklawn Park another try today. The overall card looks very good.

Just so that thereís misunderstanding, I post my best selections for each race in order of preference at about 4 minutes to post. They're all based on a real time tote analysis.
Iím not posting bets!

My Top 2 selections are my Keys. They can be played individually or Dutched if the value is there. I will also use them as Keys in Exactas, Triís and Supers. Keying entries in exotics means that they have to at least be in the money with the other picks.

I may not even be playing a race if it doesnít offer any value.

Contrary to the trend around here Iíll even post my results; Win or Lose

I know it might be difficult for some to understand, but the winning results I post are the potential returns for those types of bets had they been made.

I donít make every bet and I certainly donít play every race.

Good luck if youíre playing!
Vigors I would appreciate it you discontinued your misrepresentation of the my results of my posted selections.
Apparently you can't seem to comprehend the high-lighted statements above.

For someone who doesn't post selections and share real information you sure seem to be obsessed with those who do. I think you ought get out of this imaginary cloud and come back down to reality.
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Vigors I would appreciate it you discontinued your misrepresentation of the my results of my posted selections.
Apparently you can't seem to comprehend the high-lighted statements above.

For someone who doesn't post selections and share real information you sure seem to be obsessed with those who do. I think you ought get out of this imaginary cloud and come back down to reality.
Nitro, just because you do not understand what I am doing does not mean that I am in an imaginary cloud...besides there is no harm in residing in imaginary clouds anyway...it is part of the creative process...the use of the imagination is befuddling to many who are uncomfortable with looking at things they do not quite understand, yet...

I will do as you say I will not reference your name...you are right, there is not need to...I only wanted to give credit where credit is due...I am looking at your wager regime and see how profitable it would be if I did indeed bet all the combinations the regime implies....I KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT BET THIS WAY, NOR AM I SUGGESTING TO OTHERS THAT THEY SHOULD BET IN ANY FASHION AT ALL...

I am using your wagering format as a starting point to explore wagering alternatives...it changes and reformulates as time goes on...

Please do not do not use personal slights when referring to my activities here...it doesn't help the creative process...have you even attempted to understand what I am doing...? It is not that tough to figure out...

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Nitro, just because you do not understand what I am doing does not mean that I am in an imaginary cloud...besides there is no harm in residing in imaginary clouds anyway...it is part of the creative process...the use of the imagination is befuddling to many who are uncomfortable with looking at things they do not quite understand, yet...

I will do as you say I will not reference your name...you are right, there is not need to...I only wanted to give credit where credit is due...I am looking at your wager regime and see how profitable it would be if I did indeed bet all the combinations the regime implies....I KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT BET THIS WAY, NOR AM I SUGGESTING TO OTHERS THAT THEY SHOULD BET IN ANY FASHION AT ALL...

I am using your wagering format as a starting point to explore wagering alternatives...it changes and reformulates as time goes on...

Please do not do not use personal slights when referring to my activities here...it doesn't help the creative process...have you even attempted to understand what I am doing...? It is not that tough to figure out...
Youíve apparently taken my critique personally and thatís unfortunate.

I have no desire to interrupt my thought process or decisions that involve playing this game with the distractions that youíre offering on this thread. You may call it creativity, but I call it something else.

Thanks for honoring my request
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Vigors I would appreciate it you discontinued your misrepresentation of the my results of my posted selections.
Apparently you can't seem to comprehend the high-lighted statements above.

For someone who doesn't post selections and share real information you sure seem to be obsessed with those who do. I think you ought get out of this imaginary cloud and come back down to reality.
I'm tracking your selections to see how your method works....using Realm tools I have learned a lot already...you seem confident that your method is superior to handicapping and I perhaps see some merit in your approach so KUDOS...What I list as profit/ loss helps me to gauge your method better...

You never post your actual bets, only your K1-K2/ A-B-C selections....and afterwards, you post results and returns of POSSIBLE wagers....I understand all that....what I am doing is really the same thing, only I make the assumption that all the possible combinations were made (even though they were not) to test a worst/ best case play-outs....one difficulty with your approach is that one never knows WHEN the bigger gains will land...Any person who reviews your selections must do as you do, and be selective...and with as many wagers as are indicated in the K1-K2/A-B-C and sometimes D format, I am attempting to arrive at a modus vivendi approach MY wagering using YOUR selections, both when and where and how much, otherwise looking at your selections is an exercise in futility for me....can you understand THAT...?

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Old 06-01-2017, 12:23 AM   #162
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Regime Low Buy-In

Regime Low Buy-In
K1-K2 W/ A-B-C

WIN BETS
$2 K1 Win= $2
$2 K2 Win =$2

EXACTA BETS
$1 K1/ K2-A-B-C = $4
$1 K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $4

$1 K2/ K1-A-B-C = $4
$1 K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $4

TRIFECTA BETS
$.50 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1 = $6

$.50 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $6
$.50 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2 = $6

SUPERFECTA BETS
$.10 K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K2 A-B-C/ K2-A-B-C/ K1/ K2-A-B-C = $2.40

$.10 K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40
$.10 K1 A-B-C/ K1-A-B-C/ K2/ K1-A-B-C = $2.40

Win Bets
= $4
Exacta Bets= $16
Trifecta Bets= $32
Superfecta Bets= $14.40
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Total Wagers Cost= $66.40
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$2 Doubles

4 A w/ A = $8
3 A w/ B = $6
2 B w/ A = $4
1 B w/ B = $2
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$20

$1 Pick 3

4 A w/ A w/ AB = $8
3 A w/ B w/ AB = $6
2 B w/ A w/ AB = $4
1 B w/ B w/ AB = $2
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Old 06-17-2017, 03:15 AM   #165
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Belmont 6/17/2017
Preliminary Selections for Vetting only (no bets)
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