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View Poll Results: Who Offers the Best PPs
Equibase 70 9.07%
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DRF 259 33.55%
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:50 PM   #31
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Equibase.... pretty darn worthless... but it is free for xpressbet users.
Bris.. free for twinspires users.. plus free on whobet's pages... I like it more than equibase,
DRF... my fave.. but it is over priced.. I only buy the paper version when I'm at the track.
Are the Equibase numbers the same ones that Twinspires TV uses on their Handicapping View?
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:05 PM   #32
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Can't answer that one.. sorry.... never watch Twinspires TV.
If I had to guess though... they use Brisnet numbers... Twinspires has been partnered up with them for some time now.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:14 PM   #33
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Are the Equibase numbers the same ones that Twinspires TV uses on their Handicapping View?
No its the Brisnet numbers from the race summary
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:12 AM   #34
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4. Speed figures. Bris shows patterns that Beyers in the DRF don't.
Would you elaborate on this one, please? What do you mean by "patterns," and where do you find them in the BRIS PPs?

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Old 05-30-2011, 01:12 AM   #35
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I buy the paper DRF 2 or 3 times a week usually. It has 6 to 8 tracks in the paper each day.

That's barely over a buck a track most days. Seems fair to me.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:44 AM   #36
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DRF because I am used to it.
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:55 PM   #37
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I am not interested in numbers so that part does not affect me. I use the Bris condensed version because I don't like all that extra info that I find useless. Most races are all on one page and it has nothing to do with printing because I don't print them out. Max of 4 bucks a day for unlimited tracks and I use the custom feature to eliminate races I don't want.

Very convenient for me...in fact when they offer the ultimate version for free I still don't take it.
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:38 PM   #38
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The DRF Formulator is well worth the money. You can integrate your own trip notes and figures with ease. If you buy 240 at a time it is only $2.50/card.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:14 PM   #39
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I buy the paper DRF 2 or 3 times a week usually. It has 6 to 8 tracks in the paper each day.

That's barely over a buck a track most days. Seems fair to me.
That's a fair price, if you're going to play all the tracks on that "Form". Pretty expensive if you're only playing 1 or 2 of those tracks.

I think JCapper/HDW has unlimited downloads for like $90 per month and JCapper has an export for AllData, I believe, that will give you the "Past Performances" and all the other "views", as well as allow you to manipulate all 1435 data fields (same format as the Bris file but with HDW data (?)).

$3 per day for unlimited downloads ain't a bad deal.

Jeff can verify/correct what I've stated, in case my understanding is wrong.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:58 PM   #40
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That's a fair price, if you're going to play all the tracks on that "Form". Pretty expensive if you're only playing 1 or 2 of those tracks.

I think JCapper/HDW has unlimited downloads for like $90 per month and JCapper has an export for AllData, I believe, that will give you the "Past Performances" and all the other "views", as well as allow you to manipulate all 1435 data fields (same format as the Bris file but with HDW data (?)).

$3 per day for unlimited downloads ain't a bad deal.

Jeff can verify/correct what I've stated, in case my understanding is wrong.
Doesn't the DRF also offer an unlimited monthly plan for $99.95?
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the PDF package is 99.95 so you are right - the Formulator package is 149.95 i think . . .
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Old 06-01-2011, 05:51 PM   #42
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The DRF Formulator is well worth the money. You can integrate your own trip notes and figures with ease. If you buy 240 at a time it is only $2.50/card.
Exactly.

I add all my bias, trip, and other notes right in.

It's great to be able to see all that information right in the PPs, click on a contained link to watch the replay, click on a contained ink to bring up the chart, click on a link from the chart and see the PPs of the other horses, click on an option and see how the horses are coming back out of the race including their Beyers, look up trainer data etc...

I used to do a lot of this stuff manually.

To me Formulator is the greatest thing since I discovered the merits of imported ales.
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Old 06-01-2011, 07:47 PM   #43
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I use Bris because It saves me over a $1,000 a year compared to DRF.

I used the DRF for over 20 years,It took me about a week to get used to the Bris.

Very little difference to me.
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:53 PM   #44
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3. So does DRF, Formulator, and it is probably superior to the BRIS offering.

4. I'd be curious to hear more on this. Tests I've done in the past showed Beyers to be the better number, but that could have changed.

(3) unless there have been some big changes in say the last year or so, i'd say that the bris custom pp generator software has always been superior to drf. it's always given a lot more options on what you can elect to print (or not print) and you can move stuff around in your pps and change spacing (gaps) if you want to.

(4) i'd say that this is correct and here is an example from tonight at evd.

in the 9th race bris had #6 femme la fitte with the top last out figure of 81 and eventual winner #8 scarlet tribute with a 74. about a 10 point difference on the beyer scale. however, beyer had scarlet tribute with a 54 in her last race compared to a humble 40 for femme la fitte.

so there is a huge 24 beyer point difference between the two sets of figures.

scarlet tribute won the race, beating femme la fitte by about a dozen lengths.
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(3) unless there have been some big changes in say the last year or so, i'd say that the bris custom pp generator software has always been superior to drf. it's always given a lot more options on what you can elect to print (or not print) and you can move stuff around in your pps and change spacing (gaps) if you want to.

(4) i'd say that this is correct and here is an example from tonight at evd.

in the 9th race bris had #6 femme la fitte with the top last out figure of 81 and eventual winner #8 scarlet tribute with a 74. about a 10 point difference on the beyer scale. however, beyer had scarlet tribute with a 54 in her last race compared to a humble 40 for femme la fitte.

so there is a huge 24 beyer point difference between the two sets of figures.

scarlet tribute won the race, beating femme la fitte by about a dozen lengths.
As a long time Bris data user, I've always said that I don't use their figures (pace or speed) and stated why. Although your example is a rather extreme one, comparing the 2 sets of figures, it doesn't surprise me that Beyers are better figs. I much prefer working with the raw times and adjusting them myself, then converting to velocities and, ultimately, rankings of those velocities.
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