When the government runs health care

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The parents are being selfish, putting their feelings ahead of the quality of life of their child.

I dare say that if this were your child, you'd be doing the same thing these parents are doing. All of us would and should. I couldn't imagine the guilt I'd feel if I thought for one second that I hadn't turned over every rock under the sun to save my child.

Your compassion, or lack thereof, speaks volumes sir.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Alfie Evans condition is incurable and irreversible.
Italy is only offering Palliative care.

The Italian hospital is offering experimental, unproven treatment.

Alfie Evans is already in a semi vegetative state and is declining.

That happens a lot when you remove life support systems. The Doctors said that he would die within minutes of removal, but that didn't happen.

The parents are being selfish, putting their feelings ahead of the quality of life of their child.

Oh, the doctors are so concerned about the "quality of life" that they thought they should just end it by pulling the plug?

And the parents are selfish and ignorant for thinking that "quality of life" includes actually being alive?

The British Courts sided with the doctors because to do otherwise would be to subject the child to unconscionable distress to no good purpose.

Thank you, doctor. Please explain the "unconscionable distress" suffered by a comatose child.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Here is how this is being portrayed here. This poor child has an affliction that the incompetent, socialist doctors of the NHS are incapable of treating. Italy has stepped forward saying they will treat the child. British doctors to save face objected. Since the government hates parents, British courts sided with the doctors.
That is all Bull$&%^!

Alfie Evans condition is incurable and irreversible.
Italy is only offering Palliative care.
Alfie Evans is already in a semi vegetative state and is declining.
That decline will never be reversed.
Italy never said they could cure Alfie Evans.
The British Court's primary concern is the well being of the child.
The parents are being selfish, putting their feelings ahead of the quality of life of their child.
The British Courts sided with the doctors because to do otherwise would be to subject the child to unconscionable distress to no good purpose.

You are so ****ing out of touch on more than just politics it seems. Kudos to Thask for the way he expressed his opine. Perfect!

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Alfie Evans condition is incurable and irreversible.
Italy is only offering Palliative care.
Alfie Evans is already in a semi vegetative state and is declining.
That decline will never be reversed.

Experimental medicine is just that, and therein lies the hope.

Nothing to be lost by trying. Let that sink on for a minute.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

Experimental medicine is just that, and therein lies the hope.

Nothing to be lost by trying. Let that sink on for a minute.

And possibly something to be gained just by trying. Even if it doesn't work this time, it increases knowledge and may help the next kid.

[Tom]

I hope the names and addresses of those refusing this child are made public, so that we might soon be reading about their deaths in the headlines. Some people just need killing.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

I hope the names and addresses of those refusing this child are made public, so that we might soon be reading about their deaths in the headlines. Some people just need killing.

Just some severe injuries and having to be treated in their own hospitals would be poetic justice.

[mostpost]

All of these comments prove that you people have no clue as to what is going on here.
Read the Wikipedia page on this. The argument is made that Italian doctors can treat the condition, yet when they assessed Alfie's condition they said, "Alfie' parents wished to remove him from Alder Hey and seek further treatment at the Bambino Gesù Hospital in Rome. In September 2017, Italian doctors from Bambino Gesù Hospital produced an assessment report on the possibility of transferring Alfie to Italy. Their report contained "due to stimulations related to the transportation and flight, those seizures might induce further damage to the brain, being the whole procedure of transportation at risk."

Despite what Clocker claims, Alfie Evans was in a semi vegetative or vegetative state before Dec. 19, 2017; long before life support was turned off.

According to Wikipedia, "an MRI scan taken in February 2018 revealed that "[Alfie's] brain [was] entirely beyond recovery" and that "the brain was now only able to generate seizure" with "progressive destruction of the white matter of the brain which Dr. R interpreted as now appearing almost identical to water and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF)"[4]. There is no cure for that, experimental or otherwise.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

Experimental medicine is just that, and therein lies the hope.

Nothing to be lost by trying. Let that sink on for a minute.

No, there is no hope. There is no magical experimental treatment. Taking Alfie Evans to Italy is only delaying the inevitable and at what cost. And to what benefit. For God's sake let him go. Let him be with his creator.

[mostpost]

Someone provide me with a link to any competent medical person saying that there is the slightest chance Alfie Evans can recover and have any sort of life.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by mostpost

All of these comments prove that you people have no clue as to what is going on here.
Read the Wikipedia page on this. The argument is made that Italian doctors can treat the condition, yet when they assessed Alfie's condition they said, "Alfie' parents wished to remove him from Alder Hey and seek further treatment at the Bambino Gesù Hospital in Rome. In September 2017, Italian doctors from Bambino Gesù Hospital produced an assessment report on the possibility of transferring Alfie to Italy. Their report contained "due to stimulations related to the transportation and flight, those seizures might induce further damage to the brain, being the whole procedure of transportation at risk."

Despite what Clocker claims, Alfie Evans was in a semi vegetative or vegetative state before Dec. 19, 2017; long before life support was turned off.

According to Wikipedia, "an MRI scan taken in February 2018 revealed that "[Alfie's] brain [was] entirely beyond recovery" and that "the brain was now only able to generate seizure" with "progressive destruction of the white matter of the brain which Dr. R interpreted as now appearing almost identical to water and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF)"[4]. There is no cure for that, experimental or otherwise.

If you honestly feel that the British court cares more about the welfare of this little kid than his parents do -- as you've stated earlier -- then you are out of your mind. The kid is dying...and his parents want to try an experimental treatment that's offered in another country. And you feel that this is a decision that the British GOVERNMENT should make?

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by tucker6

I dare say that if this were your child, you'd be doing the same thing these parents are doing. All of us would and should. I couldn't imagine the guilt I'd feel if I thought for one second that I hadn't turned over every rock under the sun to save my child.

Your compassion, or lack thereof, speaks volumes sir.

If this were my child I would have done every thing in my power to see that he was cured. But when every thing possible had been doubt, I hope I could have seen that all had been done. I hope I could put aside my feelings and do what was best for my child no matter how painful that was for me.

I think I am far more compassionate than those of you who are using this tragedy to advance your nonsensical fight against socialism and government in general.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Someone provide me with a link to any competent medical person saying that there is the slightest chance Alfie Evans can recover and have any sort of life.

Look up, way up, hope springs eternal. Without hope there can only be despair.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by mostpost

If this were my child I would have done every thing in my power to see that he was cured. But when every thing possible had been doubt, I hope I could have seen that all had been done. I hope I could put aside my feelings and do what was best for my child no matter how painful that was for me.

I think I am far more compassionate than those of you who are using this tragedy to advance your nonsensical fight against socialism and government in general.

If this were YOUR little kid...you would let the GOVERNMENT decide on when to pull the plug on him? I wouldn't let this happen to my CAT!

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

I think I am far more compassionate than those of you who are using this tragedy to advance your nonsensical fight against socialism and government in general.

It is impossible in your socialist mind that anyone could be compassionate and use this as an object lesson on the evils of Big Brother Health Care at the same time?