Trump's policy of forcibly taking migrant children from their parents

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by highnote

You are confused by what I said.

I never said it was OK to break the law. I said I agree with Laura Bush that it is CRUEL and IMMORAL to separate kids from the parents at the border.

You think it's OK to separate a two year old kid from his or her parents. I don't.

Those are not the Christian values I was raised with.

not confused at all just see you sat it is ok for someone children to be taken away cause they do illicit drugs and not ok if they are entering the country illegally

[highnote]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

dont care about any experiment. I care about the USA and these people breaking the law to enter our country taking away from our citizens.

Most people agree with you.

My point is that it is cruel and immoral to separate children from their parents when the children had no say in their parents decision to come to America. The families can be deported, but there is no reason to break them up. Innocent children should not be punished because their parents want a better life for them.

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by highnote

The Bible also teaches one to act morally. It is immoral to obey an immoral law. More simply stated -- two wrongs don't make a right.

the USA is acting morally.

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by highnote

Most people agree with you.

My point is that it is cruel and immoral to separate children from their parents when the children had no say in their parents decision to come to America. The families can be deported, but there is no reason to break them up. Innocent children should not be punished because their parents want a better life for them.

the Children are not being punished as you keep saying, it doesnt matter the intent of the parents they broke the law period.


are the children that get taken from parents that are on illicit drugs being punished ?


according to you its ok to break laws as long as the intent is good.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

the USA is acting morally.

According to the self-righteous

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Right now the liberals are negotiating with Warner Bros. to get the rights to Daffy Duck saying "despicable" every time Trump does something.

[mrhorseplayer]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Right now the liberals are negotiating with Warner Bros. to get the rights to Daffy Duck saying "despicable" every time Trump does something.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The notion that the children are being punished is nonsense. They are being fed, housed, and cared for by HHS.

In my opinion separating an innocent two year old from his or her mother is punishing the child.

Their parents essentially abandoned them by breaking the law and being incarcerated.

More likely the parents are trying to escape from a situation that is so bad they are willing to suffer the consequences because the consequences are better than the reality of what they face at home.

The parents willingness to better their lives and the lives of their children does not justify the punishment of their children who have no say in the matter.

I am saddened that there are so many people who believe it is OK to treat innocent children this way; and in a country with more wealth than the world has ever seen.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

the USA is acting morally.

You believe that separating a child from the parents is moral. I don't.

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by highnote

In my opinion separating an innocent two year old from his or her mother is punishing the child.



More likely the parents are trying to escape from a situation that is so bad they are willing to suffer the consequences because the consequences are better than the reality of what they face at home.

The parents willingness to better their lives and the lives of their children does not justify the punishment of their children who have no say in the matter.

I am saddened that there are so many people who believe it is OK to treat innocent children this way; and in a country with more wealth than the world has ever seen.

I am saddened that there are people that think like you do.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by highnote

It is cruel and immoral to punish the children by separating them from their parents when those children had no say in their parents decision to come to America.

Sounds like the parents are the immoral ones.
You do know it is 10% of the children being separated and only when the guardian has no proof they are in fact the parent, many are human traffickers
or drug mules trying to game the system. Call your Senator and demand he change the law.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by highnote

In my opinion separating an innocent two year old from his or her mother is punishing the child.



More likely the parents are trying to escape from a situation that is so bad they are willing to suffer the consequences because the consequences are better than the reality of what they face at home.

The parents willingness to better their lives and the lives of their children does not justify the punishment of their children who have no say in the matter.

I am saddened that there are so many people who believe it is OK to treat innocent children this way; and in a country with more wealth than the world has ever seen.

I don't need to ask what your solution is, there is only one feasible answer.
Release everyone. To hell with everyone else's safety and security.
But but the children

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

the USA is acting morally.

The US is acting legally.

As M. L. King said, morality cannot be legislated. That is why morality is of no relevance here. That judgement is left to the individual. The issue is whether or not the government is acting legally, and by all appearances, it is.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The US is acting legally.

As M. L. King said, morality cannot be legislated. That is why morality is of no relevance here. That judgement is left to the individual. The issue is whether or not the government is acting legally, and by all appearances, it is.

By "goverment" you mean the Senate who created the law that is being followed as written. Change the LAW, call your senator. if you don't your part of the problem.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

the Children are not being punished as you keep saying, it doesnt matter the intent of the parents they broke the law period.

Children are being treated cruelly and immorally. That is punishment.

are the children that get taken from parents that are on illicit drugs being punished ?

This has been answered previously.

Crossing a border is not equivalent to dealing or using drugs.

according to you its ok to break laws as long as the intent is good.

According to me it is immoral for one to obey laws that one feels are immoral.

For example, that lady in Kentucky broke the law by refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay people. In her opinion, the law was immoral. A gay person presumably believes otherwise. She felt a moral obligation to not follow the law and issue the marriage licenses. She can't be forced to issue them, but she will have to suffer the consequences of a law she finds immoral and cannot obey.

The parents who enter the country illegally must also suffer the consequences. However, their innocent children should not be punished for the actions of the parents over which the children had no control. The families should not be separated -- that is immoral. In fact, I think it is reasonable to say that separating families is cruel and unusual punishment and does not fit the crime when the crime is trying to make better life for the child by escaping from the dangers at home. Further to that point, the parents have a moral obligation to protect their children from the dangers at home and crossing a border is a case where the ends justify the means.

Morality is not a black and white issue. There is a lot of gray. A great movie is "Unforgiven" by Clint Eastwood. It deals with the gray areas of morality. A lot of British cinema after WWII dealt with the moral issues that fell into the gray areas. It took U.S. cinema a lot of years to catch up with British cinema in that respect. Americans like good vs evil. It's simple. The reality is that there are times that good vs evil is not clear cut.

It would be nice if everything fit into nice little compartments and everybody had the same beliefs and moral codes, but that's not the way the world works.

Good parents do what is best for their kids even if not everyone can understand the parent's motivations.