Del Mar does not know how to time a 5 furlong turf race

[cj]

...and after yesterday's botch job, they start out today THE EXACT SAME WAY with another mistimed 5f turf race. Hopefully whatever hand time they make up is better than the job they did yesterday.

[The_Turf_Monster]

Originally Posted by cj

Obviously as someone that makes speed figures I'm not buying the bolded part. It is a race, time matters, and speed figures (along with pace figures) have always been a big part of how I play the races and I've been doing quite well for a long time after an admittedly rough first decade or so. They help me assess form cycles as horses are improving or declining, trainers that are good at "moving horses up", horses that are overrated or underrated based on archaic class designations, etc.

They help identify horses that had a tough wide trip as opposed to a wide trip that didn't hurt or is even beneficial. They can help identify track biases. I see terrible trips every day, but that doesn't mean the horse that had a bad trip is any good or will win next out. The horse might just be slow. Speed figs help with that. I could go on and on.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. The funny thing is you don't see people that use speed figures trash trip handicapping, or trainer capping, or class handicapping, or whatever. But those that don't use speed figures sure like to tell others how useless they are.

I think it's great that you and others that make speed figures make money on it and find usefulness in it, honestly. Horse racing needs more people that do. From my perspective they're not really useful unless you watch race replays and study trips to determine how that speed figure came about. To each his own

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by cj

One man's trash is another man's treasure. The funny thing is you don't see people that use speed figures trash trip handicapping, or trainer capping, or class handicapping, or whatever. But those that don't use speed figures sure like to tell others how useless they are.

Speed figures are constantly promoted endlessly to the public, that's what sellers do. They can only do so much, as a lot of us are finding them less useful, due to lack of profitability, since they're so mainstream now....

I still use only a select few who are, in my estimation most accurate, but for race shape only.....I am a contrarian though, who is mostly outside the box of conventionality, other's approaches will certainly differ.

[cj]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

I think it's great that you and others that make speed figures make money on it and find usefulness in it, honestly. Horse racing needs more people that do. From my perspective they're not really useful unless you watch race replays and study trips to determine how that speed figure came about. To each his own

I agree they need context, no doubt.

[cj]

Originally Posted by cj

...and after yesterday's botch job, they start out today THE EXACT SAME WAY with another mistimed 5f turf race. Hopefully whatever hand time they make up is better than the job they did yesterday.

I don't think R7 was timed with Trakus either. The Trakus chart is blank. It took the fractions way longer than usual to come up on the screen during the race. I think they used hand times and manually entered them or something. I'll time them in the morning to verify, but it looks awfully fishy.

[ReplayRandall]

What did you expect from a boutique meet like Del Mar?....Professionalism?...

[cj]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

What did you expect from a boutique meet like Del Mar?....Professionalism?...

Possible they were just being cautious with posting the fractions since they've been so bad and put a lot of really bad times on the screen, especially the past few days, but even if that is the case how embarrassing is that? Even they don't trust the timing system they are paying plenty money to have on track.

[ReplayRandall]

That's Cali racing for you....Wow, what problems they've had this year, the end looks near...

[Tom]

I haven't given up on speed figures - I've given up on certain tracks.

Why would I bet a GP, DMr, WO....when those tracks are run by moron who do not respect the betting public and have no sense of integrity of their product? They don't came, why would I?

I would fist fight my way out an OTB rather than bet GP.

[dilanesp]

There were more timing follies yesterday.

And this is especially bad because 15 years from now, every thoroughbred horse race will be 5 furlongs on the turf, so we need to know how to time them.

[Tom]

Did anyone tell them not to use the downhill course timer settings?

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

There were more timing follies yesterday.

And this is especially bad because 15 years from now, every thoroughbred horse race will be 5 furlongs on the turf, so we need to know how to time them.

That was funny. Good one.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Elkchester Road

That was funny. Good one.

I had another one. A guy walks up to the window at Del Mar and and says "$2 to win on number 1" and hands the teller eight quarters.

The teller says "You need 8 more cents. At Del Mar, a quarter is always 24".

[cj]

They are getting worse. 26 opening 1/4 today for very fast fillies and mares. Impossible to believe anyone there cares about bettors when this keeps happening. If they say do, they're lying.

[Tom]

The boogie board races, however, are timed precisely!