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Old 10-31-2017, 04:01 PM   #241
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the hand is actually on my late position starting hand chart for these games.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_...starting_hands

the now dead pokerrroom link had the ev's from all positions (it shows K7s being dead even overall) and I used a lot of this data to make my chart for these small stakes mid-atlantic games.


i'm pretty much done with limit poker so maybe i'll post the chart sometime?
I will raise K7 suited on the button to steal the blinds. It's well above average and that's a +EV play.

After a single limper, it's fine to either raise it as an isolation play or call it hoping to get a 4 way pot. It would be bad to fold it.

After a couple of limpers, I'd just call with it.

After a raise, I would fold it unless the raiser has an extremely wide range, in which case it's a 3-bet.

I don't like hand charts very much. This is a great example of a hand that can go up or down in value in different situations. The real value here comes from the position on the button.
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Old 11-19-2017, 04:29 PM   #242
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losing never gets old where the sand turns to gold......

ok poker fans we're back with another exciting trip to america's playgroud, the place where the sand turns to gold..... wonderful ATLANTIC CITY!!

it's a relaxing and uneventful drive down to the shore and despite the fact that i've spent the year getting cards that would make a pauper out of phil ivey i try to keep my thoughts positive.

eventually i arrive at spectacular bally's by the beach. it's 1:00 am you would think i could just check right in at that time but of course this is the proximity poker tour. the diamond line waits and waits and waits as an ugly couple tries the difficult task of checking into a hotel room.

eventually i get to the desk and 30 seconds later i'm sent to an interesting little suite in the curtis on the bay tower. i don't really need a bar, a jacuzzi, and multiple bathroom sinks..... but hey, i'll take it!

for tonight at least, i'm a winner!

tomorrow: cards in air.
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:20 PM   #243
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ok poker fans we're back with another exciting trip to america's playgroud, the place where the sand turns to gold..... wonderful ATLANTIC CITY!!

it's a relaxing and uneventful drive down to the shore and despite the fact that i've spent the year getting cards that would make a pauper out of phil ivey i try to keep my thoughts positive.

eventually i arrive at spectacular bally's by the beach. it's 1:00 am you would think i could just check right in at that time but of course this is the proximity poker tour. the diamond line waits and waits and waits as an ugly couple tries the difficult task of checking into a hotel room.

eventually i get to the desk and 30 seconds later i'm sent to an interesting little suite in the curtis on the bay tower. i don't really need a bar, a jacuzzi, and multiple bathroom sinks..... but hey, i'll take it!

for tonight at least, i'm a winner!

tomorrow: cards in air.
the fact that i've spent the year getting cards that would make a pauper out of phil ivey i try to keep my thoughts positive.

LOL go get em brah.
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Old 11-19-2017, 11:29 PM   #244
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Thud!

That was the sound of a -$339 session of 1/2 NL at Charles Town races after 10 hours of play.

It was inevitable, I had been on a roll the past 2.5 months with something like 10 winning sessions out of 14. Hopefully this thud is short-lived.

My to-date results are:

Hours Played = 195
Session Wins/Losses = 27/17
Net (Excluding promotions) = + $453
Net (Excluding promotions) Hourly = + $2.32
Promotions/Comps = $400 + ~ $5

While not satisfied, I am still pleased with my results. Of course my results could still be largely due to luck. It is nice to have a few extra dollars after playing a game and challenge I enjoy, but a reasonable person would see this as folly.

Some day just to be different I might make my first visit ever to the Penn National poker room. Without a doubt the first order of business SHOULD be to learn what this fellow "the lion" looks like for the purpose of bankroll preservation! I recall being introduced to him something like 7 years ago, and I don't think the encounter lasted more than 30 seconds.

To borrow a phase used by James "Split Suit" Sweeney, Happy Grinding!
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:17 PM   #245
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the fact that i've spent the year getting cards that would make a pauper out of phil ivey i try to keep my thoughts positive.

LOL go get em brah.
trying to get us off unlucky 13, i up-voted your post and down-voted my own.

happy thanksgiving!!
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:24 PM   #246
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Some day just to be different I might make my first visit ever to the Penn National poker room. Without a doubt the first order of business SHOULD be to learn what this fellow "the lion" looks like for the purpose of bankroll preservation! I recall being introduced to him something like 7 years ago, and I don't think the encounter lasted more than 30 seconds.
the lion (77-18 season) doesn't have a face you should forget but i'll give you a pass since i think the lights actually went out the night you met him at pen?

if you do go to pen, hopefully you're far down 81 s with some extra $$$ by the average hour that insomniac's been arriving at the card room.
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Old 11-25-2017, 12:47 PM   #247
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Another Thud?

After finishing my Friday night bowling league I headed down the back way to the Charles Town races for some late night 1/2 NL poker. I was a little bit apprehensive after my previous session, wondering if the good variance had finally caught up to me and I was due for some run bad. Things started off on bad side when I encountered a stopped train just below Shepherdstown, WV. After seeing no movement for 20 minutes I decided to take another back road and hope that it eventually led me back to the desired location.

When I arrived a was seated at a short game of six people. (I guess this is good because one normally has a 30+ minute wait for the time and day of week). A few hands later in early position I raise to $11 with pocket Kings. One person calls. The flop comes up Q 9 8 and I lead out $25. The other player calls. A 3 comes on the turn and I lead out $25. Call. A 7 falls on the river, and intending a check/fold, the villain surprisingly checks back allowing me to see what he had. It was J 10.

A few hands later I whiff with AQ, only to be beaten by AK.

Still within the first 15 minutes of being seated I limp in with pocket 5s. The flop yields a set. Yeah!! The river results in the villain hitting their open ended straight.

After about another hour and a half I see my stack dwindle down to around $120. I know that one should be topping off their stack to get back to near the maximum buy-in, but I just didn't feel like doing so. Sure enough it looks like I am headed to another lost $300 buy-in.

So in the BB I get AKo. Someone in mid-position raises to $10, and I think there was one other call until the CO, who has been somewhat aggressive, especially in late position. He makes it $50. I shove my $120 remaining stack. The original raiser calls, and the CO ends up folding. The flop yields a King and the rest appears to run out safely. The villain unhappily turns over QQ. I decided I had beat the odds and headed for home before I was to be BB again.

At the time I made the shove I for some dumb reason thought it was significantly +EV because of a coin flop plus the extra money in the pot from the CO raiser. Turns out I was only 43% plus the extra money, so probably very close to =EV. Sometimes it pays to be lucky rather than good!
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:09 AM   #248
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Will He Learn his Lesson?

Just finished another long session of 1/2 NL at Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races.

Just like Friday night, I endure long stretches of being card dead. Of course this is superior to having the 2nd best hand.

The session was basically unmemorable, which is why I don't have any specific hands to detail here. I do recall though on at least two instances where I had very good hands, but because I was timid in my betting, the villains were able to get there at the end. I must of forgotten it is better to win a little rather than to end up with a hand loss. This is beginning to become a reoccurring theme, so will I learn this lesson and make the appropriate adjustments in future session? It remains to be seen.

After 10+ hours the table broke and a few others found there way to other tables with open seats. I decided to call it a night with a -$117 result.
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Old 11-27-2017, 01:02 AM   #249
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After making the previous post I remembered one hand from the previous session that is definitely -EV. I had 59o in the BB. The 3 other players checked around thru the river, and I mucked my hand without showing after someone said they had a pair of 3s.

As the next hand is being dealt, it dawned on me that the turn card was a 5.

Sometimes poker can be easy for others when I am in your game.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:38 PM   #250
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After making the previous post I remembered one hand from the previous session that is definitely -EV. I had 59o in the BB. The 3 other players checked around thru the river, and I mucked my hand without showing after someone said they had a pair of 3s.

As the next hand is being dealt, it dawned on me that the turn card was a 5.

Sometimes poker can be easy for others when I am in your game.
I am of the opinion that low stakes players should simply show every single hand at showdown.

Your opponents won't get any additional information (or if they do, they won't know how to use it), plus you will pick up an occasional pot when you don't realize you have the best hand or an opponent mucks a winner.

Leave the throwing hands into the muck for higher stakes games where people actually pay attention and can exploit you. (And even then, show first a lot to speed things up.)
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:22 AM   #251
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ok poker fans we're back with another exciting trip to america's playgroud, the place where the sand turns to gold..... wonderful ATLANTIC CITY!!

it's a relaxing and uneventful drive down to the shore and despite the fact that i've spent the year getting cards that would make a pauper out of phil ivey i try to keep my thoughts positive.

eventually i arrive at spectacular bally's by the beach. it's 1:00 am you would think i could just check right in at that time but of course this is the proximity poker tour. the diamond line waits and waits and waits as an ugly couple tries the difficult task of checking into a hotel room.

eventually i get to the desk and 30 seconds later i'm sent to an interesting little suite in the curtis on the bay tower. i don't really need a bar, a jacuzzi, and multiple bathroom sinks..... but hey, i'll take it!

for tonight at least, i'm a winner!

tomorrow: cards in air.

ok poker fans we are back in exciting ATLANTIC CITY where we wake up in some kind of strange add on suite in the Curtis on the bay tower at BALLY'S.

traditionally i'm more of a fan of the boardwalk than I am the marina in this town but I do note that you can actually go for a PEACEFUL morning walk on the path behind marina properties HARRAH'S and the BORGATA. on the boardwalk itself of course your walk is going to be interrupted by panhandlers asking for change..... probably multiple times.

there are 1-1 comps (which is what ALL comps should be) at the dunkin donuts and we start our day with an oatmeal to keep our immune system strong in its battle against the dirty chips. eventually we make our way down to the poker room in the wild west section of the casino and start our gambling with some 2-4-6 limit hold 'em.

top pair loses twice in the opening moments and KK is beaten about thirty minutes in. about two hours later though we're about to move ahead with 93 from the big blind.

flop 9 8 3.

but a card shark stays in to river a six to complete his gutterball with 7 5.

fortunately he only has $3 left to bet but we're still behind.

a set of fives is rivered by a flush and AQ falls to A5 (AA5 flop, lol) before KK (0-2 day) goes down to J7 to put the cherry on top of this bally's sundae.

the game breaks (for the third time) and i call it quits.

thank you for reading.

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where we wake up in some kind of strange add on suite in the Curtis on the Bay tower at BALLY'S.
I don't care where this is or what it looks like, just reading this made me smile. Thanks Prox.
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I don't care where this is or what it looks like, just reading this made me smile. Thanks Prox.
there is a tower at bally's ac called the dennis tower and when cj's dad changed to Curtis on the bay, I started calling that tower the Curtis on the bay tower.

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atlantic city (continued)......

ok poker fans, i apologize for the delay in reports, but we are BACK in exciting ATLANTIC CITY at wonderful bally's on the boardwalk.

after dropping $73 in the trip opener we take a break before returning to the world series of poker room for some night action.

we're in humble 2-6 company and i immediately lose twice with 87s to fall behind..... again.

with QJ i raise a Q54 flop and QT (limped early) comes along. no dime comes but the board runs out K 5 for a chop. not the best outcome but at least we're dragging some chips back to our stack. eventually our AQ outkicks a villain's KQ and some solid value betting on the river gets us on victory's doorstep before a set of 8s pushes us ahead.

but KK falls to 0-3 on the day.

and then 0-4.

and AA is cracked by 96 off and we're again behind.

it just hasn't been our year here in atlantic city.... or anywhere else.... but on this night we do have one final surge and finish ahead $13!

thank you for reading!!

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Old 12-31-2017, 08:49 PM   #255
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no extra points at harrahs but sack o subs WILL have rolls, right?

ok poker fans, continuing with the ATLANTIC CITY trip where we went 1-1 and netted a $60 loss in the first day of action.

day number two finds us up early and ready to head over to HARRAH'S to see if we can get more total rewards points there. (it's the same)

I jump on a list for 2/4 limit and, after a short walk, return to find that the game's ready to go and ALL THE SEATS ARE ASSIGNED!!

approximate bravo:

ken (seat 1)
marge (seat 2)
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Joshua (seat 3)
Curtis (seat 4)
Christopher (seat 5)
joy (seat 6)
Jason (seat 7)
juan (seat 8)
Gertrude (seat 10)

ok? uhh??? I guess i'll take the nine seat then!!!!

this is a new phenomenon for me on our poker tour and a couple hours later i'll drive back to bally's thinking it was all a set up.

with top pair, solid kicker I immediately lose twice to limped aces and once to limped kings.

with ax I flop an ace from the big blind but get outkicked.

I lose with 77 three (or was it four?) times and miss two four flushes from the blinds.

with KQ in the small blind a flop of JTX bricks out and when the small blind comes around again THE EXACT SAME THING HAPPENS!

as usual in 2017 EVERYTHING is going wrong.

eventually about 150 minutes in I FINALLY win a hand when I 3 bet JJ preflop and knock out the remaining queens who sigh after a flop of QQX.

77 finally wins for me when I flop a set.... but that's it.

AQ flops an ace and loses, KK loses like it usually does for me, and a turned flush is overtaken on the river by a boat.

with AsKs I raise and get heads up.

I flop an ace and two spades...... and still lose the hand.

under the gun I raise AA and once again lose to Q9. at least this Q9 is suited (unlike the gutshot I lost to at penn national) but I've had enough and go back to bally's to get a sandwich at sack o subs.

but on a busy Friday night in atlantic city sack o subs is OUT OF ROLLS.

I wait, and I wait, and I wait, and I wait and seventeen minutes later my (cold, lol) meatball sub is finally ready!

thank you for reading!!

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