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04-15-2024, 11:24 PM
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Lets talk Buckpasser, Raise A Native & fast final fractions
It's been a great angle to play for years. Thank you Stanley Caris.
Last year, the list of those with Buckpasser in the x passing position & fast final fractions were:
Forte
Tapit Trice
Kingsbarns
Mage
Disarm
Skinner
The winner again came out of this group. Thanks to f2tornado for pointing those horses out last year.
Wondering who fits the angle this year. I know Sierra Leonne is RAN.
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04-16-2024, 05:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dballard125
It's been a great angle to play for years. Thank you Stanley Caris.
Last year, the list of those with Buckpasser in the x passing position & fast final fractions were:
Forte
Tapit Trice
Kingsbarns
Mage
Disarm
Skinner
The winner again came out of this group. Thanks to f2tornado for pointing those horses out last year.
Wondering who fits the angle this year. I know Sierra Leonne is RAN.
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Sierra Leone: RAN an BP through Roamin Rachel (Mining)
Fierceness: RAN and BP through Toussad (El Gran Senor)
Dornoch: RAN and BP through Rocktheboat (Summer Squall)
Deterministic: RAN and BP through Silken Cat (Storm Cat)
Society Man: RAN and BP through Storm Font (A.P. Indy)
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04-16-2024, 11:46 AM
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From what I can tell,
Track Phantom is also RAN & Buckpasser
Forever Young is Buckpasser only
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04-16-2024, 11:53 AM
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------------------------------------------Closing 1/4------------Closing 1/8
Fierceness----------------------------------24.61---------------------12.59
Sierra Leone------------------------------25.47----------------------13.03
Endlessly----------------------------------24.42-----------------------12.22
Resiilence---------------------------------25.21-----------------------12.93
Just Steel----------------------------------24.96-----------------------12.29
Dornoch----------------------------------26.59-----------------------13.83
Just a Touch-----------------------------26.22-----------------------13.67
Stronghold-------------------------------25.84-----------------------13.10
Mystick Dan-----------------------------25.17-----------------------12.72
Society Man-----------------------------25.34-----------------------12.89
Catalytic----------------------------------25.89-----------------------13.47
West Saratoga-------------------------25.14-----------------------12.78
Domestic Product--------------------23.15-----------------------1 1/16 race
Track Phantom (Final 3/16 = 19.18)
Honor Marie (Final 3/16 = 18.50)
Catching Freedom (Final 3/16 = 18.38)
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04-16-2024, 01:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dballard125
From what I can tell,
Track Phantom is also RAN & Buckpasser
Forever Young is Buckpasser only
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What path is BP for Track Phantom? It stops at the immediate Buckpasser colt.
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04-17-2024, 09:18 AM
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Quote:
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What path is BP for Track Phantom? It stops at the immediate Buckpasser colt.
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I believe it stops if there’s 2 consecutive colts.
Edit: I misunderstood, I think by immediate you meant a direct son to BP. Which is the case in track phantom.i thought you meant as soon as a colt appears anywher.
Your assertion is correct
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Last edited by Fightingirish51195; 04-17-2024 at 09:26 AM.
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04-17-2024, 09:21 AM
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I’m looking at just steel, who does not have RAN or BP but has the final fractions and Audience in his tail female
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04-23-2024, 10:43 AM
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I forgot, who it was that posted Stan Caris final derby numbers? He used to use a spread sheet. It was very impressive.
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04-23-2024, 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightingirish51195
I’m looking at just steel, who does not have RAN or BP but has the final fractions and Audience in his tail female
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Just Steel is certainly more seasoned than most, if not all, in this group. He has like 11 starts, I believe. He should take the bumping and grinding that goes along with the Derby, as well as anyone.
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04-29-2024, 12:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dballard125
From what I can tell,
Track Phantom is also RAN & Buckpasser
Forever Young is Buckpasser only
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I believe Forever Young does come out of the RAN sire line
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04-29-2024, 02:04 PM
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Quote:
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I believe Forever Young does come out of the RAN sire line
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Sunday Silence does not come from a RAN sire line.
https://www.pedigreequery.com/forever+young19
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04-29-2024, 04:07 PM
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Only 2 horses clearly qualify on SC’s final fractions. Fierceness and Just steel.
I personally assigned resilience points as he came up at 37.81 I believe.
Sierra Leone came up just short. But close enough and probably fast enough early that I wouldn’t overlook him just because he didn’t get the fractions.
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04-29-2024, 04:15 PM
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My apologies. I got the wrong horse on that one. I should have checked my notes. Thanks for the correction.
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04-30-2024, 03:12 PM
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Race (Finish Position)
Final Time
Final 3/8ths Time
Final 1/8th Time
Domestic Product
Tampa Bay Derby (1st)
1:45.47 (1 1/16 miles)
:35.01
:11.77
Endlessly
Jeff Ruby Steaks (1st)
1:50.15 (1 1/8 miles)
:36.49
:12.22
Catching Freedom
Louisiana Derby (1st)
1:56.16 (1 3/16 miles)
:36.58
:12.05
Forever Young
UAE Derby (1st)
1:58.58 (1 3/16 miles, projected)
:36.63 (projected)
:12.70 (projected)
Fierceness
Florida Derby (1st)
1:48.22 (1 1/8 miles)
:36.91
:12.59
Honor Marie
Louisiana Derby (2nd)
1:56.33 (1 3/16 miles)
:37.01
:12.17
Just Steel
Arkansas Derby (2nd)
1:49.89 (1 1/8 miles)
:37.39
:12.23
West Saratoga
Jeff Ruby Steaks (2nd)
1:50.83 (1 1/8 miles)
:37.68
:12.67
Mystik Dan
Arkansas Derby (3rd)
1:50.63 (1 1/8 miles)
:37.76
:12.69
Resilience
Wood Memorial (1st)
1:50.28 (1 1/8 miles)
:37.81
:12.93
Track Phantom
Louisiana Derby (4th)
1:56.58 (1 3/16 miles)
:37.91
:12.94
Sierra Leone
Blue Grass Stakes (1st)
1:50.08 (1 1/8 miles)
:38.02
:13.02
T O Password
Fukuryu Stakes (1st)
1:54.77 (1 1/8 miles, projected)
:38.12 (projected)
:13.28 (projected)
Society Man
Wood Memorial (2nd)
1:50.67 (1 1/8 miles)
:38.13
:12.95
Stronghold
Santa Anita Derby (1st)
1:49.98 (1 1/8 miles)
:38.69
:13.10
Catalytic
Florida Derby (2nd)
1:50.50 (1 1/8 miles)
:39.16
:13.42
Just a Touch
Blue Grass Stakes (2nd)
1:50.36 (1 1/8 miles)
:39.31
:13.71
Grand Mo the First
Florida Derby (3rd)
1:50.92 (1 1/8 miles)
:39.48
:13.11
Epic Ride
Blue Grass Stakes (3rd)
1:51.03 (1 1/8 miles)
:39.83
:14.11
Dornoch
Blue Grass Stakes (4th)
1:51.25 (1 1/8 miles)
:40.08
:14.15
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04-30-2024, 05:38 PM
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Good work, Afleet. Thanks.
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