When the government runs health care

[Tom]

Who says they are civilized?
Look at how they treated the rest of the world.
Look at what they did to Ireland.

Same ass-clown family on the throne.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by incoming

If Mrs. Clinton would have been elected, we would be on that seem
path with ObamaCare.

You mean the "death panels?"

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Don't you think that one of the things the British courts considered when making their decisions was whether there was actually a viable treatment-experimental or otherwise-available in Italy? That is one of the first things they would have considered, Can we save this child's life and can we give him a life worth living? They determined that the answer to both those questions was no.

Therefore they determined that the cost of continuing with this process was detrimental to the child.

I think you may be missing the point, which is nobody has the right to make such monumental decisions about a minor child except the parents, unless the parents are contemplating something deviant. In this case it was legitimate Italian medical people who were offering to help. The courts have no business deciding where the baby gets treatment outside of the NHS.

My understanding was that the Italians were willing to pay for everything.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

In this case it was legitimate Italian medical people who were offering to help. The courts have no business deciding where the baby gets treatment outside of the NHS.

My understanding was that the Italians were willing to pay for everything.

Correct, all expenses including air fares.

And the hospital, Bambino Gesù, is the largest children's hospital and pediatric research facility in Europe.

[davew]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

You mean the "death panels?"

no such thing... there would be courts making decisions on pulling the plug with a line of coppers standing guard at the entrance to make sure no one kidnaps the child from his death sentence.

just think of all the money that could have been saved through the years without any transplants, chemotherapy, major operations, C-sections.....

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

This excerpt is from the Guardian, a newspaper in England that apparently met a few of you:
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Alfie’s parents have fought like tigers both in and out of court and no parent – even those whose sympathies in this case are with the doctors facing death threats for doing what they honestly believe is the right thing – will begrudge the family their right to clutch in their grief at every straw there is.

But the high court judge is surely right to question the motives of some of those extending straws. The most disturbing aspect of this case is the sense that it is now being exploited by those who see Alfie not as a desperately sick little boy, but as an expedient means of advancing their own ideological cause.

That description doesn’t just apply to the pro-life movement, of course. Among Alfie’s viscerally engaged army of Facebook supporters, which includes many parents of small children, you will find anti-vaxxers using the story to peddle utterly deluded junk science theories about the Vitamin K injection every newborn gets. You’ll find American gun lobby enthusiasts ranting on about how this is what happens when “the government” runs people’s lives and that’s why everyone needs to keep hold of their weapons; never mind that this decision has nothing to do with the government, resting as it does on the independent judgment of doctors upheld by an independent judiciary.

Others have sought to use the case to score cheap, wildly inaccurate points over healthcare reform in the US; to claim this is where “socialised medicine” gets you, when without the NHS and its daily miracle of providing treatment free at the point of use, Alfie’s parents would now be struggling with medical bills running into the millions.

And where far-right conspiracy sites such as Infowars and Breitbart rush in, an army of trolls inevitably follows. Staff at Alder Hey children’s hospital have experienced a horrific barrage of death threats and other online abuse. There have been ugly scenes at the hospital too, reports of over-zealous protesters blocking ambulances or intimidating visitors and patients. It is all too uncomfortably reminiscent of those who harass pregnant women outside abortion clinics and threaten to kill doctors offering terminations, so high on their self-righteous mission to save that all other human lives cease to matter.

link: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ents-activists

Thanks for straightening things out for us. The British judge gives higher priority to [political, ideological] motives than to the health of the child. If everyone's motives or intents are not in lock step with official government policy, then the only penalty for compassionate, independent, free thinkers is the DEATH SENTENCE TO THE BRATTY KID who has the audacious temerity to fight to live. (I'm surprised the government hasn't ordered the hospital to inject the kid and put him down like a dog once and for all!)

This can only make sense inside a deranged, unhinged, derailed mind.

[incoming]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

You mean the "death panels?"

Yes....It is my right to decide when I die, if possible. If it is a minor child, that right belongs to parents or legal guardian. That right never belongs to the government.

I am not naive enough to believe that Alfie is the only one on NHS "death list."

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by Tom

I hope the names and addresses of those refusing this child are made public, so that we might soon be reading about their deaths in the headlines. Some people just need killing.

Tom, I hereby proclaim you an Honorary Texan.

Mule

[Racetrack Playa]

Alfie passed away a couple days ago.
3/4 of his short life ,Alfie was on life support.
He suffered more than enough.

[Tom]

Alphie.

May the Queen join you VERY soon.
The old worthless BITCH.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

I think you may be missing the point, which is nobody has the right to make such monumental decisions about a minor child except the parents, unless the parents are contemplating something deviant.

I take it abortion doesn't count as a monumental decision...because...you know...right here in the good ol' U.S. of A., the gubmint has declared that in certain states, parents have absolutely no rights when it comes to their minor daughter and abortion.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I take it abortion doesn't count as a monumental decision...because...you know...right here in the good ol' U.S. of A., the gubmint has declared that in certain states, parents have absolutely no rights when it comes to their minor daughter and abortion.

Wouldn't my position on this be considered the conservative/libertarian decision?

I feel like Trump. Once you are assigned a particular label, there's no getting away from it, even when you agree with your political opposite.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Wouldn't my position on this be considered the conservative/libertarian decision?

I feel like Trump. Once you are assigned a particular label, there's no getting away from it, even when you agree with your political opposite.

Agree on your last point. You are being conservative on this point but your overall label prevents it from being seen. I've been guilty of that myself occasionally.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

Wouldn't my position on this be considered the conservative/libertarian decision?

I feel like Trump. Once you are assigned a particular label, there's no getting away from it, even when you agree with your political opposite.

Just pointing out what I consider to be hypocritical thinking.

You know, like when the left says how can you be for capital punishment and against abortion? As if that argument ever made sense anyway (it doesn't).

[incoming]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Just pointing out what I consider to be hypocritical thinking.

You know, like when the left says how can you be for capital punishment and against abortion? As if that argument ever made sense anyway (it doesn't).

HEAR!!! HEAR!!!

Analogies are tough for some people....