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View Poll Results: How do you feel about gun control laws?
Current laws infringe on our rights and should be weakened 21 17.80%
Current laws are just fine, thanks. We don't need anything more 28 23.73%
Current laws are not satisfactory, there are "common sense" adjustments that should be made 69 58.47%
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:22 PM   #91
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There was enough public opposition to renewing it in 2004 to kill any attempt to renew the ban.
Politicians know what side their bread is buttered on.
Yes, and the NRA was supplying the butter. Big refrigerated trucks just full of the stuff.

Your claim that there was public opposition to renewing the ban is disingenuous and bogus. 68% of Americans supported renewing the ban, as did law enforcement.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/assault...n-ban-expires/
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:34 PM   #92
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Your claim that there was public opposition to renewing the ban is disingenuous and bogus.
I didn't say the opposition was in the majority, I said that it was strong enough to kill it.

Just like the popular vote for Trump wasn't in the majority, but it was strong enough to put him in office.

Our system protects against the tyranny of the majority, again and again.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:16 PM   #93
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68% of Americans supported renewing the ban, as did law enforcement.
Then you better be asking the spineless democrats, 0bama, Pelosi, and Schumer WHY did they not bring it back when they had both houses???

If the demand is there, why are you losers not trying to change the constitution to do it?

I'll tell you why - you guys do NOT have the support you claim to have,no matter what cBS says.

And if you did, you still lack the balls and the work ethic to actually DO something rather than WHINE about it. Put the blame where it belongs - YOUR PARTY of losers.

Face it, your guys are nothing but blather. Always have , always will be. Loser and whiners. You have become all that can be.
As little as it is.

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Old 02-17-2018, 09:41 PM   #94
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Old 02-17-2018, 10:06 PM   #95
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Thought assault was a act not a object.
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I take it you took the time to call him to congratulate him.

We can all do more.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:25 AM   #97
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The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...deaths/448044/

And although crime rates are at historical lows, it is low only if we ignore how poorly we do compared with OTHER countries. BTW, there may be other reasons it is low historically....

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6 pages and not one mention of high capacity magazines? Or is that too "common sense" and obvious?
That is common sense to someone anti-gun who wouldn't know a 9mm pistol from a Co2 one.
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[QUOTE=hcap;2278426]The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...deaths/448044/



Do you believe that utter nonsense? Someone found a way to manipulate numbers or outright lie. It has DC as 13th safest "state" in the USA, are you kidding me?
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Can you cite a source for "public opposition" to the Assault Weapons Ban?

Your Wiki article says nothing about it, altho it does cite public support for the ban in the first place:
The only source you need is "Trump was elected president".
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why would we want to compare the USA to another country is that the same as comparing apples to oranges?
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:51 AM   #102
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What if, say, a guy beats his wife and gives her a concussion and a few broken bones. Should he be allowed to buy a gun?
It’s already the law that if convicted of such, no gun.

But it’s stupid. This same guy can get a gun and kill (and they do) any time he wants. Just like your 18 yr old from the burbs. If motivated no law stops a killer, ever!
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The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths
Short rebuttal: Chicago and D.C.

Longer rebuttal: I would suggest that the binary categories, such as states with and without "stand your ground" laws are too vague and vary too much within each category for a statistically significant study. Similarly, "may issue" and "shall issue" can vary greatly from state to state.

The category about background checks on private sales is meaningless. A quick check shows that some states listed as requiring background checks actually require a check for handguns but not for long guns.

Given those differences, the sample sizes are too small for a statistically significant finding.
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Short rebuttal: Chicago and D.C.

Longer rebuttal: I would suggest that the binary categories, such as states with and without "stand your ground" laws are too vague and vary too much within each category for a statistically significant study. Similarly, "may issue" and "shall issue" can vary greatly from state to state.

The category about background checks on private sales is meaningless. A quick check shows that some states listed as requiring background checks actually require a check for handguns but not for long guns.

Given those differences, the sample sizes are too small for a statistically significant finding.
Thanks for this info its very helpful.
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Shocking news from the Washington Post.

After the school shooting in his state, Sen. Mario Rubio was asked about new gun legislation. His response was that no proposed legislation currently being discussed would have prevented that shooting, or any of the other mass shootings in the past years.

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The Washington Post went back to the Newtown shooting in 2012 and chose 12 mass shootings to analyze. Fact-checkers concluded that none of the shootings would have been avoided by passing new laws currently under discussion.
Oops, Rubio was right.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/...-new-gun-laws/
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