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02-02-2024, 03:19 PM
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HOLY BULL STAKES
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02-02-2024, 04:34 PM
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Fierceness - Should run well and may sit on or near a soft pace.
Otello - Very reliable exotics add.
Not a bad horse in the race. I wouldn't be shocked if either of the two morning line Longshots Dancing Groom (30/1), or Sea Streak (20/1) finished in the pentafecta.
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02-03-2024, 07:21 AM
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Fierceness looks to completely overwhelm this field. The BC Juvy he ran was an absolute monster as he romped away to a 6+ length victory in an extremely solid 1:41.4 time for a 2YO in his 3rd outing. Obviously the one to beat.
The one I'm interested in seeing is Hades. Not exactly regal breeding in which only $4K was needed for the pump, but did sell for $130K. First 2 career races brought in $63K in a months time and now stretches out to 2 turns. Has shown he can pass all his rivals or simply run away and hide on the front end. I like the jump here to see what they really have.
No More Time is also a bit interesting. Not This Time has shown up quite nicely as a sire on the Triple Crown trail the past few years. Last out was a bit ugly, but his first two were pretty solid. Can he rebound with a better start and trip this time out?
Doesn't look to be a great wagering race, but maybe a stab on the if I can get 10/1 or better.
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02-03-2024, 09:51 AM
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I don't see Fierceness losing until the Derby. Where I'll be looking to beat him. Here's hoping Hades is a nice horse and Orseno has a shot at another triple crown win. It's been quite awhile since Red Bullet won the Preakness.
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02-03-2024, 12:09 PM
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supposed scratch and run at Tampa... if he stats in I like him underneath.
I love the stretching out, but this is the race to lose. If he breaks sharp he is likely gone.
Though I do hope Clement can get a good Derby-type horse one of these years; that may or may not be Otello.
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02-03-2024, 05:25 PM
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i pretty much bet what i said 7/3/all/48 w/ possible bonuses
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02-03-2024, 05:35 PM
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With the SCR of the , maybe I'll throw a little at the
Looks like a pass and watch.
Last edited by PalaceOfFortLarned; 02-03-2024 at 05:36 PM.
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02-03-2024, 05:57 PM
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Hades
Gets it done.
Paco with his normal 'aggressive' riding gets him home
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02-03-2024, 07:15 PM
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Nice call on the
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02-03-2024, 11:58 PM
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That horse took the rail from the one hole and commanded a nice easy pace forcing the chalk wide . It was a great ride. The announcer calls Fierceness hasn’t hit second gear yet when really Hades hadn’t yet . Once the real running commences it’s not even close as Hades strides out . Time off and a little over confident……they got schooled . This horse is no joke . With that pace he never had to go til the end . Sucker punched and underestimated. The favorite was pretty much the only one that wanted any part of this horse . Back to the drawing board . Done stole it and looked pretty good stretching out .
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02-04-2024, 02:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burnsy
That horse took the rail from the one hole and commanded a nice easy pace forcing the chalk wide . It was a great ride. The announcer calls Fierceness hasn’t hit second gear yet when really Hades hadn’t yet . Once the real running commences it’s not even close as Hades strides out . Time off and a little over confident……they got schooled . This horse is no joke . With that pace he never had to go til the end . Sucker punched and underestimated. The favorite was pretty much the only one that wanted any part of this horse . Back to the drawing board . Done stole it and looked pretty good stretching out .
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It was a nice win, but damn is that time bad. 1:46.07 is THE 2nd slowest time in stakes history at the 8.5F distance. Only Booklet ran slower in 2002. We all remember Booklet right?
The track was not that slow. At least not earlier. The fillies slowed down tremendously 2 races before at 7F while going out in fast fractions. These boys went out in :50 and change and continued to slow roll. Middle of the road $75Kers went 1:37 and change in R6. That is a massive change within a couple of hours.
Obviously the track had to drastically change. Fierceness has ran really fast. He headed the winner, and simply faded and had nothing left. We have to give the some solid credit on that end, but damn, 1:46 and change is tough to look past.
Last edited by PalaceOfFortLarned; 02-04-2024 at 02:32 AM.
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02-04-2024, 02:58 AM
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It will be interesting how all the number boys deal with that slow time.
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02-04-2024, 04:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbinepmi
It will be interesting how all the number boys deal with that slow time.
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Our family friend in CJ laid it down
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02-04-2024, 10:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PalaceOfFortLarned
It was a nice win, but damn is that time bad. 1:46.07 is THE 2nd slowest time in stakes history at the 8.5F distance. Only Booklet ran slower in 2002. We all remember Booklet right?
The track was not that slow. At least not earlier. The fillies slowed down tremendously 2 races before at 7F while going out in fast fractions. These boys went out in :50 and change and continued to slow roll. Middle of the road $75Kers went 1:37 and change in R6. That is a massive change within a couple of hours.
Obviously the track had to drastically change. Fierceness has ran really fast. He headed the winner, and simply faded and had nothing left. We have to give the some solid credit on that end, but damn, 1:46 and change is tough to look past.
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Yeah , the weather was perfect down here yesterday. About 76 degrees, no clouds , no real breeze . I was sitting in the paddock so I didn’t see anything on the track between races . The race was slow so all these participants are going to have to show more . Fierceness really didn’t do himself any favors , that was a regression. Hold your hats today the weather right now looks like all hell is gonna break loose.
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02-04-2024, 03:53 PM
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The outside post at 1 1/16 mile leading to poor position the entire race for Fierceness. You have the points for the Derby do you want to use him hard to win first race back and possibly affecting his form in a few months. This is an unusual race for Pletcher. His horses would usually try to win a race like that. Has he finally learned to go for the big race at the expense of a graded win….?
I’ve noticed Gulfstream has been playing different since they put the Tapeta in. I wonder if they changed the composition of their dirt track. Only thing I can think of why the track played slower later in the day is they didn’t water it…?
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