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Old 10-23-2017, 12:57 PM   #1
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Greetings,

I live in Nevada and we are unable to get rebates on horse racing wagers. You can place wagers through a smart phone app, but you will not receive cash back at any tracks.

At first, when I moved, I talked to a representative of an ADW who said I could keep my account open since I lived in two states. Furthermore, my information was still linked to my original account. Unfortunately, that was 3 years ago. Also, I noticed the rules of the original site now exclude my home state.

It seems ironic that I live in Nevada, yet have such difficulty obtaining comps (i.e. rebates) on horse racing bets. This has depressed my wagering activity in a very significant manner. Does anybody have any creative ideas on how I could get back in the game, with at least moderate rebates? As it stands, I restrict my wagers to lower takeout wagers at California tracks (15.43% WPS and 14% pick 5) or Woodbine (14.95% WPS). However, many tracks are simply unplayable due to laughable takeout.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:12 PM   #2
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If you live in Vegas, go to the Wynn Las Vegas race and sports book, and ask to talk to director John Avello. The Wynn is currently remodeling its book and will hit the ground running when complete. This is the perfect time to talk to John, tell him exactly what you've said via your post, just be honest about your handle and ask what options are available to you.....John is simply one the best there is, you'll get a straight forward and honest answer to your questions.....Good luck.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:26 PM   #3
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Greetings ReplayRandall,

I appreciate your willingness to share this information. I am a resident of Las Vegas (i.e. Spring Valley) and live 5 miles from the Las Vegas Strip. Later this week, I am going to stop by and see if I can start a dialogue.



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If you live in Vegas, go to the Wynn Las Vegas race and sports book, and ask to talk to director John Avello. The Wynn is currently remodeling its book and will hit the ground running when complete. This is the perfect time to talk to John, tell him exactly what you've said via your post, just be honest about your handle and ask what options are available to you.....John is simply one the best there is, you'll get a straight forward and honest answer to your questions.....Good luck.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:09 AM   #4
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If you live in Vegas, go to the Wynn Las Vegas race and sports book, and ask to talk to director John Avello. The Wynn is currently remodeling its book and will hit the ground running when complete. This is the perfect time to talk to John, tell him exactly what you've said via your post, just be honest about your handle and ask what options are available to you.....John is simply one the best there is, you'll get a straight forward and honest answer to your questions.....Good luck.
Nevada state law prevents cash rebates on any pari-mutual wagers placed at race and sports books in Nevada.
John Avello was the main man behind getting the state law passed preventing cash rebates in the state of Nevada.
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Old 10-24-2017, 02:31 AM   #5
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Here is the section of Regulation 22 that prevents cash rebates on any pari-mutual wager in the state of Nevada.

22.125 Wagers; terms and conditions. 1. No book shall: (a) Accept from a patron, directly or indirectly, less than the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; (b) Agree to refund or rebate to a patron any portion or percentage of the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; or (c) Increase the payoff of, or pay a bonus on, a winning off-track pari-mutuel wager.

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Old 10-24-2017, 11:35 AM   #6
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Nevada state law prevents cash rebates on any pari-mutual wagers placed at race and sports books in Nevada.
John Avello was the main man behind getting the state law passed preventing cash rebates in the state of Nevada.
In the ultra competitive "rewards club" era that exists in Vegas, The Wynn knows how to retain valued customers, be it through slot play, pit play or race and sports book play. The valued player is "uniquely compensated" for various levels of play/handle......Enough said.
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:13 PM   #7
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Uniquely compensated, food, drinks, shows, rooms, free racing forms, but NO CASH AT ALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
You can bet a $100,000 a day or $10 a day same rules, NO CASH REBATES, PERIOD.
SORRY, TAKE IT FROM ME A PERSON THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REBATE PLAYERS IN LAS VEGAS BEFORE REG-22 WENT INTO EFFECT.
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:17 PM   #8
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Uniquely compensated, food, drinks, shows, rooms, free racing forms, but NO CASH AT ALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
You can bet a $100,000 a day or $10 a day same rules, NO CASH REBATES, PERIOD.
SORRY, TAKE IT FROM ME A PERSON THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REBATE PLAYERS IN LAS VEGAS BEFORE REG-22 WENT INTO EFFECT.
Sandy is exactly right.

Cash is different.
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Sandy is exactly right.

Cash is different.
And so are vouchers and script....Next.
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Uniquely compensated, food, drinks, shows, rooms, free racing forms, but NO CASH AT ALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
You can bet a $100,000 a day or $10 a day same rules, NO CASH REBATES, PERIOD.
SORRY, TAKE IT FROM ME A PERSON THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REBATE PLAYERS IN LAS VEGAS BEFORE REG-22 WENT INTO EFFECT.
It's obvious you haven't played in Vegas since.....Playing vouchers and script are the preferred method, but what do I know.....BTW, quit yelling in your posts, as if that means your right, as your conviction means nothing.
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And so are vouchers and script....Next.
Anything that can be turned into cash is a violation of REG-22.


Here is the section of Regulation 22 that prevents cash rebates on any pari-mutual wager in the state of Nevada.

22.125 Wagers; terms and conditions. 1. No book shall: (a) Accept from a patron, directly or indirectly, less than the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; (b) Agree to refund or rebate to a patron any portion or percentage of the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; or (c) Increase the payoff of, or pay a bonus on, a winning off-track pari-mutuel wager
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Anything that can be turned into cash is a violation of REG-22.


Here is the section of Regulation 22 that prevents cash rebates on any pari-mutual wager in the state of Nevada.

22.125 Wagers; terms and conditions. 1. No book shall: (a) Accept from a patron, directly or indirectly, less than the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; (b) Agree to refund or rebate to a patron any portion or percentage of the full face value of an off-track pari-mutuel wager; or (c) Increase the payoff of, or pay a bonus on, a winning off-track pari-mutuel wager
Dude, you think slot and pit players have a different compensation system, but those who bet in the race and sports book are shut down by the reg you just quoted?.You're a funny guy....Our conversation is over.
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It's obvious you haven't played in Vegas since.....Playing vouchers and script are the preferred method, but what do I know.....BTW, quit yelling in your posts, as if that means your right, as your conviction means nothing.
I live in Las Vegas and play here all the time, no such thing as vouchers and script for your handle that can be used as cash.
If there was it would be a violatiuon of REG-22.
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Dude, you think slot and pit players have a different compensation system, but those who bet in the race and sports book are shut down by the reg you just quoted?.You're a funny guy....Our conversation is over.
You answered your own question, slot and pit players absolutely have a different compensation system, then those who bet pari-mutual wagers in the race book.
My wife of 46 years still thinks I'm a funny guy so that is all that matters.
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I live in Las Vegas and play here all the time, no such thing as vouchers and script for your handle that can be used as cash.
If there was it would be a violatiuon of REG-22.
Last word here: For example, If slot/pit players are given $100 free-play vouchers, meaning once that voucher has been played through $100 worth, the remainder can be cashed out. Depending on ANY casino play, points are accumulated at various percentages, which triggers free-play vouchers of various denominations, depending on level/handle of play. Do you think that just maybe these free-play slot/pit vouchers are also given to race and sports book players at a higher denominational rate, based on their play which is given a higher percentage than slot/pit play? Yes, nothing directly can be bet back into the race and sports book, they must bet these vouchers/script back through the slots or the pit, but can you see what the final end result is?......The race and sports book player IS being compensated monetarily, in a roundabout way, AND just maybe on a larger scale.....I'm done.

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