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01-30-2017, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing
Ultimately you can't prove the negative. It's the God argument. Prove to me there is no God, especially given all the "proof" in the Bible. How do you prove the emails are not code if in fact they are not code? Or if they are code for something totally unrelated, you aren't owed an explanation. You only give a rumor credence by repeating it.
Your point about a person defending themselves after being wrongly accused, doesn't hold much water either. First, everybody did defend themselves early on. Second, it is the "when did you stop beating your wife" dilemma. Again, proving the negative.
The burden of proof is on you. Find one child, one photo, one witness to come forward and blow the whole thing wide open. Otherwise you only have speculation.
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There were a lot extremely speculative/crazy ideas and theories out there and there was some circumstantial evidence that would raise the eyebrows of any reasonable person. None of the eye raisers were addressed. There were "assertions" that it was a fake story and attacks on the people that were researching it aggressively publicly.
An assertion is not a fact.
All criminals deny their crimes.
Attacking and trying to destroy the life, career, funding, and credibility of the messenger is not the typical technique used by an innocent person when someone is misunderstanding something they said. Another attack on one of the researchers occurred today by someone associated with the "accused".
In politics, people get quoted out of context and accused of all sorts of terrible things based on what they say and write. Typically the person tries to defend themselves from political attack by providing better context and meaning to their words even if they also attack the attacker. They don't attack and hide while never addressing the attack itself.
I wish I never saw this story and examined the evidence carefully because now it gnaws at me. Even if the odds were 99% in favor of it being false, the 1% is so terrible it's hard to let go. I hope it gets resolved clearly. (IMO those are not the fair odds).
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01-30-2017, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyGoer89
Proof has a different standard in court of public opinion. There's also speculation that people "disappear" who open their mouths so witnesses not coming forward could be a product of fear for their lives.
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From what I gather one of the researchers was threatened by one of the accused and he has a record of it.
Unless Seaman is a raging lunatic liar (which is always possible), something may happen in a few months. He is claiming that the DHS is researching the case now that it isn't being stonewalled.
If some of these guys are actually guilty of some of the accusations, and go down for them, I may make a contribution to a Seaman bronze statue fund. He is either the most courageous person I have ever seen, the stupidest, or the worst liar I have ever seen. He was in the early stages of what might have been a promising mainstream career in journalism. Now he has basically been scrubbed from wikipedia, had money tied up at pay pal & his account frozen, had some of his videos demonetized, is basically blackballed from ever working mainstream again, and may even have to fear for his safety. He is finished unless he's proven correct. He is not even hedging like a man with some remaining doubts while still researching. He gets more aggressive in his claims every day.
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01-30-2017, 10:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
From what I gather one of the researchers was threatened by one of the accused and he has a record of it.
Unless Seaman is a raging lunatic liar (which is always possible), something may happen in a few months. He is claiming that the DHS is researching the case now that it isn't being stonewalled.
If some of these guys are actually guilty of some of the accusations, and go down for them, I may make a contribution to a Seaman bronze statue fund. He is either the most courageous person I have ever seen, the stupidest, or the worst liar I have ever seen. He was in the early stages of what might have been a promising mainstream career in journalism. Now he has basically been scrubbed from wikipedia, had money tied up at pay pal & his account frozen, had some of his videos demonetized, is basically blackballed from ever working mainstream again, and may even have to fear for his safety. He is finished unless he's proven correct. He is not even hedging like a man with some remaining doubts while still researching. He gets more aggressive in his claims every day.
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He's all in as are most PG researchers. Seaman is essentially betting his life that PG Is real and that he's right about this, I don't see too many defenders of the Podesta crew betting their lives on Podesta and or Alefantis.
A lot of smart people are essentially betting their lives that PG is real. Let's see what happens.
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01-31-2017, 01:49 AM
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01-31-2017, 04:31 AM
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From August, but very interesting wouldn't you say?
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01-31-2017, 04:22 PM
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Prosecutors weighing child pornography charges against Weiner.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecu...94771?mod=e2tw
(there's a new sheriff in town)
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01-31-2017, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
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Whatever happens to him, he deserves it.
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01-31-2017, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing
Whatever happens to him, he deserves it.
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100% agree on that one.
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01-31-2017, 09:47 PM
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02-01-2017, 09:54 AM
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I hope I never learn how to read twitter, with all its @'s and #'s and re-tweets. What a bunch of gobbledegook, no matter if I would agree with the intended message or not.
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02-01-2017, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rastajenk
I hope I never learn how to read twitter, with all its @'s and #'s and re-tweets. What a bunch of gobbledegook, no matter if I would agree with the intended message or not.
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No doubt. As Melvin Udall might say, people who talk in hashtags oughta shampoo my crotch.
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02-01-2017, 10:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
No doubt. As Melvin Udall might say, people who talk in hashtags oughta shampoo my crotch.
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#TryTheNewHead&Shoulders&Crotch
#CrotchDandruffDoesn'tStandAChance
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02-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
#TryTheNewHead&Shoulders&Crotch
#CrotchDandruffDoesn'tStandAChance
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I meant to say except PaceAdvantage.
And SRU, I guess. Maybe.
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02-02-2017, 11:15 PM
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02-02-2017, 11:31 PM
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Infinite loop
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