Trump's policy of forcibly taking migrant children from their parents

[hcap]

The folly of Deterrence.

Come here and wave goodbye to your child.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...igrants-policy


The Trump administration is under searing criticism nationwide as a result of its “zero tolerance” policy that has resulted in the separation of thousands of children from parents who are being criminally prosecuted for illegally entering the United States. Facing a torrent of criticism, even from traditional allies, the administration has hunkered down; officials are framing the policy as necessary to deter rising family migration from Central America.

Deterrence is hardly a new concept in border enforcement. It’s been the basic principle behind immigration policy, enforced to varying degrees, for several administrations..

...... But until now, the stiffest forms of punishment — prosecution and federal prison time — were reserved for adults traveling alone, not families.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by hcap

The folly of Deterrence.

Come here and wave goodbye to your child.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...igrants-policy


The Trump administration is under searing criticism nationwide as a result of its “zero tolerance” policy that has resulted in the separation of thousands of children from parents who are being criminally prosecuted for illegally entering the United States. Facing a torrent of criticism, even from traditional allies, the administration has hunkered down; officials are framing the policy as necessary to deter rising family migration from Central America.

Deterrence is hardly a new concept in border enforcement. It’s been the basic principle behind immigration policy, enforced to varying degrees, for several administrations..

...... But until now, the stiffest forms of punishment — prosecution and federal prison time — were reserved for adults traveling alone, not families.

Its also not a deterrent if you don't make it known.

Deterrence only works if its equivalent and disclosed prior.

[hcap]

The latest outrage.

Toddlers Separated From Parents at the Border Are Being Detained in 'Tender Age' Shelters

http://time.com/5316764/toddler-immi...-age-shelters/

Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children forcibly separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border to at least three “tender age” shelters in South Texas, The Associated Press has learned.

Lawyers and medical providers who have visited the Rio Grande Valley shelters described play rooms of crying preschool-age children in crisis. The government also plans to open a fourth shelter to house hundreds of young migrant children in Houston, where city leaders denounced the move Tuesday.

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Maybe Ann Coulter and Fox and Friends can translate all the liberal socialist written scripts for kids taken ripped from their moms and dads into "1 tear old baby talk". So these babies can pretend and fool the American public that it is all liberal/communist propaganda?

Maybe we liberals and Dems can send all these poor kids too our world renouned "Karl Marx-Saul Alinsky Drama and Acting School for Pre-Schoolers"?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Its also not a deterrent if you don't make it known.

Deterrence only works if its equivalent and disclosed prior.

The trek northwards takes quite some time. The institution of this new policy was not known by many before they left. I believe the change is trickling down now to countries like Honduras and El Salvador

However it's gonna be a tough choice between drug cartels killing, kidnapping and raping, and then even if the family make it, the kids then being taken away, with perhaps no chance of re-uniting.

[woodtoo]

America where are you now?

Steppenwolf's "Monster" is a very fitting song for America today as it was years ago.

[Andy Asaro]

All of the photos are attributed to the people who took the pictures. They are legit.

Here Are The Photos Of Obama’s Illegal Immigrant Detention Facilities
The Media Won’t Show You

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/ph...on-facilities/

[Andy Asaro]

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[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by hcap

The trek northwards takes quite some time. The institution of this new policy was not known by many before they left. I believe the change is trickling down now to countries like Honduras and El Salvador

However it's gonna be a tough choice between drug cartels killing, kidnapping and raping, and then even if the family make it, the kids then being taken away, with perhaps no chance of re-uniting.

The drug cartels are smuggling the children, the parent are bought off.
The children are pawns of the troubled.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You trope bores me...

The law wasn't being enforced... it appears for fairly obvious reasons.

Trump chose to enforce it when the zero tolerance EO came down. So yes... he created the issue we have now.

In the meantime kids are being used a political poker chips. Its a bad look.

I know your dear leader is above any and all sort of criticism so we can just stop this now. AFAIK you haven't said one single negative thing about the guy yet no matter what he does. Until you can find fault in just ONE thing this man has done there is no point debating with you. You're indoctrinated. You put words in other peoples mouth and make assumptions because they dare say something negative about Trump... the serial philanderer... its hilarious.

Last I checked there are still laws on the books about anal sex... shall we start enforcing those as well?

What’s Really Happening When Asylum-Seeking Families Are Separated?

So, then you admit that your fearless leader was a Scofflaw! And yes, Trump, decided that one of the fundamental principles to true freedom is to abide by the Rule of Law. So, yes, he actually had to undo with an EO of his own Obam's illegal EO. So that makes him the bad buy and you and your Anointed One the good guys?

And you do a good thing by choosing to stop this now since you had no answer to my question. I asked you: If Trump were to pull an Obama and write an EO to "undo" this immigration law, which would send a thrill up your leg, I'm sure....then what would you think about him if he pulled the same stunt at a later date with a law of which you fully approve? You want Trump to be a dictator now...but would you then?

But we both know the answer to those tough questions, right? You would be the first one to hop on the Hypocrite Choo-Choo Train and criticize Trump then, too!

So, here's the bottom, ET: Trump is right on this issue. He has called for Congress to change the law (which our Constitution calls for when it comes to repealing a law. And right now it doesn't appear your Uncle Chuckles has any interest in doing that. He's all for prolonging the horrible suffering and traumatic ordeal of all those little brown kids from South of Z border.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

The drug cartels are smuggling the children, the parent are bought off.
The children are pawns of the troubled.

See...I told everyone this was all about child pawn.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

The latest outrage.



http://time.com/5316764/toddler-immi...-age-shelters/

Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children forcibly separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border to at least three “tender age” shelters in South Texas, The Associated Press has learned.

Lawyers and medical providers who have visited the Rio Grande Valley shelters described play rooms of crying preschool-age children in crisis. The government also plans to open a fourth shelter to house hundreds of young migrant children in Houston, where city leaders denounced the move Tuesday.

.................................................. ...............

Maybe Ann Coulter and Fox and Friends can translate all the liberal socialist written scripts for kids taken ripped from their moms and dads into "1 tear old baby talk". So these babies can pretend and fool the American public that it is all liberal/communist propaganda?

Maybe we liberals and Dems can send all these poor kids too our world renouned "Karl Marx-Saul Alinsky Drama and Acting School for Pre-Schoolers"?

I just don't see the love and compassion for the kiddies by advocating they be tossed into jail with the law-breaking parents.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by boxcar

See...I told everyone this was all about child pawn.

You do know what pawn leads to.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

The immigrant families consist of both Mexicans illegally coming across the border, and refugees from inhumane conditions of certain central Americas countries, asylum seekers

Zero tolerance and separating families is not anything but a recent change in policy. It has never been business as usual.

https://www.elitedaily.com/p/is-seek...harder-9507088

.....enforcement of his new "zero tolerance policy" along the southern U.S. border raises many questions, one of the biggest ones being whether seeking asylum is legal or not as a result of any "new law. "

Under the "zero tolerance policy," announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions in early April, asylum seekers crossing the U.S.-Mexico border must make their claim at ports of entry, or risk prosecution and potential separation from any children they're traveling with.

The problem is that requesting asylum at a port of entry is not as easy as he makes it sound, as AZ Central points out. Asylum seekers are reportedly met with waits as long as five days to make a claim, or even officials turning asylum seekers away.

What's more, on June 11, Sessions announced that the U.S. would no longer be granting asylum to those fleeing domestic violence or gang violence — a major shift, since many of those seeking asylum from Central America are fleeing the region's enormous gang violence problem, in which sexual violence and domestic abuse are frequently used as tactics of fear or coercion. Sessions said,

The United States has a legal obligation to provide asylum to individuals that qualify as refugees and make their claim on U.S. soil, thanks to the the 1967 U.N. Protocol and the Refugee Act of 1980.

Again, thank you admitting that Obama was a Scofflaw. That's why Trump had to change from BO's illegal EO of "business as usual" to undo a law to abiding by the Rule of [that] Law. No president of the U.S. has the constitutional authority to repeal any constitutional law. And we know this law is good, valid and on solid legal ground because....no one has challenged it. No one has a found a judge to put a stay order on the law and rescue the little kiddies.

And, yes, the U.S. must provide asylum to QUALIFIED refugees. ("Qualified" is the operative term.)

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

You do know what pawn leads to.

Yeah...more scofflaw promiscuity.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, then you admit that your fearless leader was a Scofflaw! And yes, Trump, decided that one of the fundamental principles to true freedom is to abide by the Rule of Law. So, yes, he actually had to undo with an EO of his own Obam's illegal EO. So that makes him the bad buy and you and your Anointed One the good guys?

I stopped there.

You can't help yourself.