Discussion of the Mueller Report

[Burls]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Not really. Too bad they could not find an actual crime to base these subpoenas on eh. This WILL get ugly.

Another one who can't be bothered to ACTUALLY READ
any of the Mueller Report,
but is more than willing to make baseless claims about its contents.



Hint:
There is no such crime as "collusion", but there is such a crime as "obstruction of justice".
And there is plenty of evidence for MULTIPLE (ten, count 'em ten)
instances of obstruction in the Mueller Report.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Not really. Too bad they could not find an actual crime to base these subpoenas on eh. This WILL get ugly.

I don't think it will get all that ugly.

These cases are all pretty straightforward and their outcomes certain but telling your people to commit contempt is... interesting.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

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[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Burls

Another one who can't be bothered to ACTUALLY READ
any of the Mueller Report,
but is more than willing to make baseless claims about its contents.



Hint:
There is no such crime as "collusion", but there is such a crime as "obstruction of justice".
And there is plenty of evidence for MULTIPLE (ten, count 'em ten)
instances of obstruction in the Mueller Report.

Exactly what crime has been obstructed? Using a fake dossier as a bases to spy on American citizens. The Trump Tower meeting set up by the Obama administration is that the crime.

The crime of defeating Crooked Hillary when it was impossible?

Luckily he declined Mueller's offer to chat and risk lying charges.

Indictments will come, just not for who you expect.
Brennan, Comey, Lynch, McCabe . It is a long long list. Maybe MSM?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Exactly what crime has been obstructed?

You don't have to commit a crime to commit obstruction. I don't know why people keep saying that...

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You don't have to commit a crime to commit obstruction. I don't know why people keep saying that...

you don't have to commit the crime, but some crime had to be committed to obstructing justice.

how can you obstruct justice if no crime was done?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

you don't have to commit the crime, but some crime had to be committed to obstructing justice.

how can you obstruct justice if no crime was done?

I'm house sitting and cops show up with a warrant to search it. I refuse entry.

I committed a crime.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

you don't have to commit the crime, but some crime had to be committed to obstructing justice.

how can you obstruct justice if no crime was done?

Reality is, a POTUS can be impeached for anything. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is as vague as vague can be.

Simply put, if there are enough people in Congress to vote against in the House and Senate, a POTUS could be impeached and kicked out of office at any point in time. You simply need the votes regardless of just cause or a tag of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Problem the Dems will face is the Senate, and not only the Senate but the general public. Kicking the highest office out of his seat as a duly elected official based upon the governments approved process is pretty damn radical, if not near insanity. They not only need Congress approval, they need to know that they have serious support around the country. On BOTH sides.

We all know our country is brewing with a serious right and left cornering at this point in time, and an impeachment that involves the removal of an elected POTUS could actually spark a 2nd Civil War. Trump has a 90+% approval from his base, and a roughly 50% approval rating across the country regardless of poll. This isn't Nixon with a lame duck 25% approval rating.

[Burls]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Exactly what crime has been obstructed?
Using a fake dossier as a bases to spy on American citizens?
The Trump Tower meeting set up by the Obama administration is that the crime?
The crime of defeating Crooked Hillary when it was impossible?

To start, you need to look up the meaning of "obstruction of justice" in a legal dictionary.
Your question: "Exactly what crime has been obstructed?" doesn't make sense.

As far as your other questions, quit displaying your ignorance for all to see
and put in some mental effort.
I'm not your bitch.
Read the Mueller Report yourself.

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Reality is, a POTUS can be impeached for anything. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is as vague as vague can be.

Simply put, if there are enough people in Congress to vote against in the House and Senate, a POTUS could be impeached and kicked out of office at any point in time. You simply need the votes regardless of just cause or a tag of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Problem the Dems will face is the Senate, and not only the Senate but the general public. Kicking the highest office out of his seat as a duly elected official based upon the governments approved process is pretty damn radical, if not near insanity. They not only need Congress approval, they need to know that they have serious support around the country. On BOTH sides.

We all know our country is brewing with a serious right and left cornering at this point in time, and an impeachment that involves the removal of an elected POTUS could actually spark a 2nd Civil War. Trump has a 90+% approval from his base, and a roughly 50% approval rating across the country regardless of poll. This isn't Nixon with a lame duck 25% approval rating.

This is a very good post LDH. The use of impeachment has now become as widely used as "Where's the Beef?" Both at their core are comedic. The Democrats will never and I mean never attempt to impeach this President. Just the discussion and continued investigations are going to kill them in the long run.

The silent majority of this country is rarely heard. However, that changed in the last election when they did in fact come out of the woodwork and showed up at the polls. Be careful when awakening this giant. THEY are the backbone of this country!!!

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Reality is, a POTUS can be impeached for anything. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is as vague as vague can be.

Simply put, if there are enough people in Congress to vote against in the House and Senate, a POTUS could be impeached and kicked out of office at any point in time. You simply need the votes regardless of just cause or a tag of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Perhaps it is always good to surround yourself with other sharp people who are not in the same area of expertise. Not that I qualify as a expert, but President Donald J. Trump has always kept a flow of diverse people around him that can qualify as expert in several areas. An example is that the POTUS can be impeached for "High crimes and misdemeanors" only, those who define what "High crimes and misdemeanors" are not the court of public opinion. We may get to see the Supreme Court step in, and it will not be favorable to the left if it does. So "is as vague as vague can be" just might not be the case.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Exactly what crime has been obstructed? Using a fake dossier as a bases to spy on American citizens. The Trump Tower meeting set up by the Obama administration is that the crime.

When the FBI, Cia or conress and law enforcement investigate suspected and possuible crimes or security issues, and some dufus blocks the investigation. That dufus is obstructing justice.

And since most dufi are inept and usually fail to totally block it, just the attempt with a clear motivation is legally considered obstruction.

Think Nixon.

Impeachment against Nixon, was for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Burls

To start, you need to look up the meaning of "obstruction of justice" in a legal dictionary.
Your question: "Exactly what crime has been obstructed?" doesn't make sense.

As far as your other questions, quit displaying your ignorance for all to see
and put in some mental effort.
I'm not your bitch.
Read the Mueller Report yourself.

Read me the Mueller report now, I demand it and quit your bitchin!!

[hcap]

“The first article of impeachment against Nixon was just this: obstruction by directing others to lie. This is not hysteria or hyperventilating. It’s history.”

Chumpy directed his former longtime lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.

...Presidential historian Jon Meacham
.................................................. ..............

And as the can of worms uncovered by Mueller and all the other legitimate inquiries going on in the House expose much more, I can only add one more observation....

It is only a matter of time

[delayjf]

And since most dufi are inept and usually fail to totally block it, just the attempt with a clear motivation is legally considered obstruction.

Define attempt.