The coronavirus

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Tom

Only a fool would buy 100% of a TV ad claims.
That is why, as the ads clearly say, you "ask your Doctor about..."

then there are thousands of fools out there

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

Yeah, Einstein, that is way more people died in the US that other countries.

Got a link as to how many deaths by age group for NYC?
I cant find one not for sale.

Obviously the elderly, those with per-existing health conditions are more vulnerable. My point is there are a substantial number of the population who are younger and healthier who also suffer and die.

If you were able to save some, can you tell me the percentage of the population you are willing to admit are acceptable to be sacrificed among those sectors, that could be saved, but entailed sacrificing some things in doing so?

What is the formula? Hows much is one life worth? Are the younger and healthier worth more and the older and sicker?

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by hcap

Obviously the elderly, those with per-existing health conditions are more vulnerable. My point is there are a substantial number of the population who are younger and healthier who also suffer and die.

If you were able to save some, can you tell me the percentage of the population you are willing to admit are acceptable to be sacrificed among those sectors, that could be saved, but entailed sacrificing some things in doing so?

What is the formula? Hows much is one life worth? Are the younger and healthier worth more and the older and sicker?

What a bogus argument. Kind of like asking someone "do you still beat your wife?"

[Tom]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

then there are thousands of fools out there

So we all should be uninformed because of that?
As a doctor, are you not able to educate your patients who want something you don't think is for them?

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by hcap

Obviously the elderly, those with per-existing health conditions are more vulnerable. My point is there are a substantial number of the population who are younger and healthier who also suffer and die.

If you were able to save some, can you tell me the percentage of the population you are willing to admit are acceptable to be sacrificed among those sectors, that could be saved, but entailed sacrificing some things in doing so?

What is the formula? Hows much is one life worth? Are the younger and healthier worth more and the older and sicker?

It’s amazing to me the the pro-life people are anti-life when it comes to CoVID

Allan

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

In a dream world that might be true...Those commercials NEVER tell the story only the glossy results without much else.

Ha! so many of these TV promoted drugs are so new that hardly ANY practitioner has much experience with them especially any unknown drug/drug interactions, tolerance levels, etc all they have is the promotional material and BS that the detail people lay on them,

And when does the consumer PUSH the medication Rx of the practitioner? That what all these public ads are trying to do

You certainly hit the nail on the head. Doctors don't know it all so when patients start asking about things then they should get the message and do some research.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

It’s amazing to me the the pro-life people are anti-life when it comes to CoVID

Allan

Don't count me in that group. I've stated multiple times that I am not anti-abortion.

I just think it's WAY out of hand...

Funny that abortion is on the approved list of things people can do right now...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by hcap

Obviously the elderly, those with per-existing health conditions are more vulnerable. My point is there are a substantial number of the population who are younger and healthier who also suffer and die.

If you were able to save some, can you tell me the percentage of the population you are willing to admit are acceptable to be sacrificed among those sectors, that could be saved, but entailed sacrificing some things in doing so?

What is the formula? Hows much is one life worth? Are the younger and healthier worth more and the older and sicker?

My point is, that in the per 100,000 cases numbers, the VAST majority of deaths are in the very old. And those in nursing homes. Almost half of NJ death were NH patients. In NYC,, the epicenter, 0 people under , 18? 25? I don't have graph here - have died.
If you do not use the pareto data, you are not doing responsible problem solving.

We could assign risk to doing X for Y people.

Schools - Data say the least risk is here. E could open schools with restriction, say only major classes - no gym, study hall, etc..
Cut classes in half. Run morning and afternoon groups of students.

Over 65 - we do everything we can to keep these (us) home and isolated from the majority of people.

You use common sense and data.
Data is information is science.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

It’s amazing to me the the pro-life people are anti-life when it comes to CoVID

Allan

Total BS.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Tom

......Schools - Data say the least risk is here. E could open schools with restriction, say only major classes - no gym, study hall, etc..
Cut classes in half. Run morning and afternoon groups of students.......

Yes but won't the kids need to walk or ride to school and in the process put themselves at risk to lose their life in an accident? What is a child's life worth to you? Have you no regard for a human life?

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Tom

My point is, that in the per 100,000 cases numbers, the VAST majority of deaths are in the very old. And those in nursing homes. Almost half of NJ death were NH patients. In NYC,, the epicenter, 0 people under , 18? 25? I don't have graph here - have died.
If you do not use the pareto data, you are not doing responsible problem solving.

We could assign risk to doing X for Y people.

Schools - Data say the least risk is here. E could open schools with restriction, say only major classes - no gym, study hall, etc..
Cut classes in half. Run morning and afternoon groups of students.

Over 65 - we do everything we can to keep these (us) home and isolated from the majority of people.

You use common sense and data.
Data is information is science.

The only problem with letting schools open that I see.

Is children bringing home the virus to grandparents at home.

There is little to no chance of children dying from CoVID.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Tom

Total BS.

Yeah I guess you are pro choice then.

Every life counts we have been told.

You talk about total BS. It right there in front of you.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Pence press secretary Katie Waldman has it.

Allan

[Jeff P]

Couldn't one make the argument that, other than old age itself, a significant percentage of excess risk factors associated with Covid-19 deaths - compromised immune systems, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, certain types of cancer, etc. are caused by years of smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, poor diet, and sedentary lifestyle?


-jp

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[Tom]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

The only problem with letting schools open that I see.

Is children bringing home the virus to grandparents at home.

There is little to no chance of children dying from CoVID.

Allan

So we destroy the country because we can't figure out a way to keep Grandpa safe? Why focus on the 1% and ignore the welfare of the 99%?