Global Warming, Make That Climate Change Yeah

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

Co2 is in a state of flux. It is constantly absorbed and emitted by the oceans, plant life in response to natural changes. The oceans hold the greatest amounts of Co2. Much more than the atmosphere.

For gases, solubility decreases as temperature increases So Co2 solubility in the oceans mostly is in flux, in response to natural increases and decreases in temperature.
Substantially more complex than Ben cooler and Ben warmer

BINGO!!!

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

The natural cusses of those extremely high CO2 concentrations in prehistoric times have diminished. Mostly the early planet's extreme volcanism.


Co2 is in a state of flux. It is constantly absorbed and emitted by the oceans, plant life in response to natural changes. The oceans hold the greatest amounts of Co2. Much more than the atmosphere.

For gases, solubility decreases as temperature increases So Co2 solubility in the oceans mostly is in flux, in response to natural increases and decreases in temperature.
Substantially more complex than Ben cooler and Ben warmer

Who are you and what have you done with hcap?

[davew]

there is a major inverse correlation between ocean temperature and ocean carbon dioxide absorption resulting in strong correlation between air temperature and carbon dioxide levels.

[classhandicapper]

I say this only half in jest.

I feel certain that trees, shrubs, and weeds all grow substantially faster, taller, and more fully now than when I was a kid (we are talking 50 years here). The growth seems explosive to me at times now. Whether I'm imagining things or it's true, that seems like a good development. Instead of the heat turning things to a desert, the added CO2 is creating a greener earth.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by hcap

I am a hippy who learned reality. Mostly through unbiased scientific education, rather than your PHD in absurd ridiculous tin foil hat conspiracy theories. Give it a rest.

Global warming and possibilities on how to get it under control are not political unless you view everything through rose-colored conspiracy goggles.

From Grateful Dead to......

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[xtb]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I say this only half in jest.

I feel certain that trees, shrubs, and weeds all grow substantially faster, taller, and more fully now than when I was a kid (we are talking 50 years here). The growth seems explosive to me at times now. Whether I'm imagining things or it's true, that seems like a good development. Instead of the heat turning things to a desert, the added CO2 is creating a greener earth.

CO2 is plant food.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I say this only half in jest.

I feel certain that trees, shrubs, and weeds all grow substantially faster, taller, and more fully now than when I was a kid (we are talking 50 years here). The growth seems explosive to me at times now. Whether I'm imagining things or it's true, that seems like a good development. Instead of the heat turning things to a desert, the added CO2 is creating a greener earth.

Summertime - nothing like a nice BLT or 20.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

there is a major inverse correlation between ocean temperature and ocean carbon dioxide absorption resulting in strong correlation between air temperature and carbon dioxide levels.

What are you talking about?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I say this only half in jest.

I feel certain that trees, shrubs, and weeds all grow substantially faster, taller, and more fully now than when I was a kid (we are talking 50 years here). The growth seems explosive to me at times now. Whether I'm imagining things or it's true, that seems like a good development. Instead of the heat turning things to a desert, the added CO2 is creating a greener earth.

Meaning what? Could it be perhaps a tropical rain forest instead of a desert?

No one is talking Sahara except you.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

What are you talking about?

Pour a glass of ginger ale or club soda into a glass and put it into the refrigerator overnight. In the morning you will see that it is flat, no bubbles. Set it on the kitchen table and soon you will start to see tiny CO2 bubbles forming, rising to the top and bursting as the liquid warms.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

Who are you and what have you done with hcap?

I told you aways back to google Paleoclimatology. Should have mentioned the carbon cycle and the role of the oceans.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

Pour a glass of ginger ale or club soda into a glass and put it into the refrigerator overnight. In the morning you will see that it is flat, no bubbles. Set it on the kitchen table and soon you will start to see tiny CO2 bubbles forming, rising to the top and bursting as the liquid warms.

Yes, coming out of solution. I don't make this stuff up.....

Effects of Temperature and Pressure on Solubility
https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshel..._on_Solubility
Effect of Temperature on the Solubility of Gases

The solubility of gases in liquids decreases with increasing temperature, as shown in Figure 13.4.2
. Attractive intermolecular interactions in the gas phase are essentially zero for most substances. When a gas dissolves, it does so because its molecules interact with solvent molecules. Because heat is released when these new attractive interactions form, dissolving most gases in liquids is an exothermic process (ΔHsoln<0). Conversely, adding heat to the solution provides thermal energy that overcomes the attractive forces between the gas and the solvent molecules, thereby decreasing the solubility of the gas. The phenomenon is similar to that involved in the increase in vapor pressure of a pure liquid with increasing temperature. In the case of vapor pressure, however, it is attractive forces between solvent molecules that are being overcome by the added thermal energy when the temperature is increased.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by hcap

Meaning what? Could it be perhaps a tropical rain forest instead of a desert?

No one is talking Sahara except you.

I'm simply saying that one of the fears promoted was that there would be droughts, farmland would dry up etc..

Maybe it's working the other way.

Maybe increased rain and CO2 plant food is causing an explosion of plant life (despite our foolish efforts to deforest) which in turn will make for more and richer farmland and a greener earth that will keep CO2 under control.

[xtb]

I don't think anyone here disputes that man is putting CO2 into the atmosphere and we should make a reasonable effort to limit it, and pollutants. Where we differ is how significant our contribution is and whether we can do anything about the overall picture. IMO we should not twist ourselves into knots trying to fix something that we have very little or no control over, and it may not even need fixing in the first place.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I'm simply saying that one of the fears promoted was that there would be droughts, farmland would dry up etc..

Maybe it's working the other way.

Maybe increased rain and CO2 plant food is causing an explosion of plant life (despite our foolish efforts to deforest) which in turn will make for more and richer farmland and a greener earth that will keep CO2 under control.

Under control? Certain areas will increase vegation and otheres will lose. No, the worry about droughts is also in in particular areas. A more overall concern or "fear" and actual observed weather phenomena, is the increase of extreme weather. More energy in the system tends to increase chaos. Weather is chaotic. Weather forecasts have become more accurate only with supercomputers to map complex turbulence of air and wind and interactions with the oceans.

Boiling water is more "chaotic then still water.
Or entropy also known as Murphy's law, is becoming more prevalent as things heat up.