The Core Problem to Murder by Firearms

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Two different issues completely.

It may not guarantee any type of weapon, but as a right I do not need government approval or government mandated training to own a legal weapon.

Do we have background checks to own private real property or mandated ownership training before you own real property?

No because it is a right, however like fire arms the type of real property you own may be limited.

I do not understand why this new thread was begun?

What I just said about states with more gun control laws have less gun violence than those with more lax ones, should encourage people to do whatever is possible. We may not need government approval, but in many cases regulations work.

I realize regulations is dirty word around here, but just as motor vehicles are controlled and regulated, controls on guns are wise. It is up to individual states right now.

Consider each an experiment in what works.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Two different issues completely.

It may not guarantee any type of weapon, but as a right I do not need government approval or government mandated training to own a legal weapon.

Do we have background checks to own private real property or mandated ownership training before you own real property?

No because it is a right, however like fire arms the type of real property you own may be limited.

What person in his/her right mind would oppose a background check on a gun purchase?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

What person in his/her right mind would oppose a background check on a gun purchase?

It is a right. The same reason a sane person would oppose governmental background checks for real property purchases.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

I do not understand why this new thread was begun?

That isn't the only thing you can't understand.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

It is a right. The same reason a sane person would oppose governmental background checks for real property purchases.

If you can't tell the difference between buying a house and buying a gun...then you have brought a new definition to the word "sane".

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Start your own thread on the supposed evils of the NRA...if you dare. Make your case for what a horrible domestic terror organization they are.

I will post my anti-NRA remarks right here, thank you...unless PA-Mike tells me to desist.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

I will post my anti-NRA remarks right here, thank you...unless PA-Mike tells me to desist.

Of course you will. And considering the source, it will all be a big nothing burger.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Learn to read. I never said people don't experience "shock". But I do claim that that isn't the primary reason for the utterly stupid gun narrative subsequently dumped on Americans by the leftist media and dimwit politicians.

Originally Posted by boxcar

No, it's not the "shock of these tragedies". It's the moral/spiritual shallowness of most Americans. Their souls have no firm moral/spiritual anchor.

Furthermore, how long does that "shock" last and to what extent do these tragedies impact media, politicians, etc. that forces them to continue with their shallow, juvenile drivel long after the tragedies?

So first it's the "moral/spiritual shallowness of most Americans"
And now it's the "the leftist media and dimwit politicians"?

You are getting worse and worse. Now it's very painful to read you.

Last question. Why start another thread on gun violence when the Walmart thread was still going?
I can only assume you were losing and wanted to distract from your embarrassing loss

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

If you can't tell the difference between buying a house and buying a gun...then you have brought a new definition to the word "sane".

The telling of the difference is in understanding the concept of what is a "right". A "right" to own cannot be subject to government approval. The concept of a "right" does not change whether it is a fire arm or private real estate.

If it is subject to government approval it is no longer a right, but a privilege.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

So first it's the "moral/spiritual shallowness of most Americans"
And now it's the "the leftist media and dimwit politicians"?

You are getting worse and worse. Now it's very painful to read you.

Last question. Why start another thread on gun violence when the Walmart thread was still going?

The two ideas are not mutually exclusive logically. The leftist media and dimwit politicians talk the loudest and control the public podium.

Because there is a more narrow focus to this thread: The root cause of violence.

Hint: It isn't guns. But that's okay...you're not the only one who doesn't get it. you're in "good" company with Thask. Apparently, he thinks the NRA is the real evil culprit when it comes to violent acts.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Because it is a Constitutional Right and not a government granted privilege. The NRA is absolutely correct.

The Constitution also states that, when the government ceases to be "of the people, by the people and FOR the people"...then the "people" have the 'right' to organize a militia and OVERTHROW such a government. Do you suppose that our government supports such a literal interpretation of our Constitution?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

The telling of the difference is in understanding the concept of what is a "right". A "right" to own cannot be subject to government approval. The concept of a "right" does not change whether it is a fire arm or private real estate.

If it is subject to government approval it is no longer a right, but a privilege.

BINGO! You just won the jackpot for the most coherent thought of the day!

Congrats!

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

I do not understand why this new thread was begun?

What I just said about states with more gun control laws have less gun violence than those with more lax ones, should encourage people to do whatever is possible. We may not need government approval, but in many cases regulations work.

I realize regulations is dirty word around here, but just as motor vehicles are controlled and regulated, controls on guns are wise. It is up to individual states right now.

Consider each an experiment in what works.

Driving motor vehicles is not a "right", but a privilege. It is a privilege granted to you by the generosity of the State. As a privilege it can be regulated and/or denied.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The Constitution also states that, when the government ceases to be "of the people, by the people and FOR the people"...then the "people" have the 'right' to organize a militia and OVERTHROW such a government. Do you suppose that our government supports such a literal interpretation of our Constitution?

I don't know about today's government, but what about you?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

The Constitution also states that, when the government ceases to be "of the people, by the people and FOR the people"...then the "people" have the 'right' to organize a militia and OVERTHROW such a government. Do you suppose that our government supports such a literal interpretation of our Constitution?

That is why politicians want unarmed citizens. See the recent Hong Kong demonstrations stating the need for the "second Amendment".