The Core Problem to Murder by Firearms

[GMB@BP]

Does anyone know how many semi automatic AK 47's have been used in mass shootings. Its getting mentioned so much now I got to think its a lot.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by Tom

They are already planning on outlawing certain types of cars, ie, gas powered.
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Not saying I agree, but it certainly is already in the cards among thse to the left or reality.

What a timely article:

Andrew Yang: Climate Change May Require Elimination of Car Ownership

Mr. Yang suggests replacing the private ownership of cars with "a constant roving fleet of electric cars."

So I'm sitting here wondering if one his "roving electric cars" would be able, available, and on call to haul one of my horses 20 miles to the vet if needed.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

What a timely article:

Andrew Yang: Climate Change May Require Elimination of Car Ownership

Mr. Yang suggests replacing the private ownership of cars with "a constant roving fleet of electric cars."

So I'm sitting here wondering if one his "roving electric cars" would be able, available, and on call to haul one of my horses 20 miles to the vet if needed.

same dude essentially said tax meat like its cigarettes to force societal change.

we all just need to assimilate, the quicker the better, will solve everything.

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

same dude essentially said tax meat like its cigarettes to force societal change.

we all just need to assimilate, the quicker the better, will solve everything.

What's scary is he's probably the sanest of the bunch.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Mulerider

So I'm sitting here wondering if one his "roving electric cars" would be able, available, and on call to haul one of my horses 20 miles to the vet if needed.

Two words:

House call

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Two words:

House call

One acronym:

LOL.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Yelling fire in a crowded movie theater is not a right or a privilege. Thus, it has no bearing on the discussion about its impact on rights.

Nobody has the right to harm other citizens, however, the right to own by itself is not a danger to other citizens. With that logic we wouldn't be allowed to own cars, motorcycles, bicycles, knives, etc. Think about it every time someone gets behind the driver's wheel of a car, on public right of ways, there is an inherent danger to his fellow citizens.

The standard has to be higher than endangering citizens, even for privileges.

Duh, freedom of speech is a right. But it too as well as the second amendment has limitations. Yelling fire in a movie theater is the abuse of that right when it endangers others.

Murdering someone with a ak47 or any other firearm is an abuse of owning a weapon. Preventing the slaughter citizens is the point of any discussion of the 2nd amendment.

Btw, Trump is fighting a lawsuit by claiming his Crimes Can't Be Investigated While President. So therefore if he does really shoot and kills someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight using say an AK-47, you are correct.

Now according to Trump the 2nd amendment has no limitations for him.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You mean like immigration? Or how 'bout voting rights?

The art of recent western government, the founding of this country based on of rule by man, not God or king, specifies what can be done and what cannot.

For instance.....no establishment of a state religion and anyone insisting all citizens follow that one way.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Duh, freedom of speech is a right. But it too as well as the second amendment has limitations. Yelling fire in a movie theater is the abuse of that right when it endangers others.

Murdering someone with a ak47 or any other firearm is an abuse of owning a weapon. Preventing the slaughter citizens is the point of any discussion of the 2nd amendment.

Btw, Trump is fighting a lawsuit by claiming his Crimes Can't Be Investigated While President. So therefore if he does really shoot and kills someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight using say an AK-47, you are correct.

Now according to Trump the 2nd amendment has no limitations for him.

(emphasis mine!!!)

You couldn't be more wrong about "the point of discussion of the 2nd Amendment" if someone paid you a million bucks to make such an utterly stupid statement! Of course in your case, no one had to pay you anything, for such ignorance and stupidity comes quite natural to you!

The 2nd Amendment WASN'T passed and ratified to give people the right to abuse it by killing others. The central purpose to the 2nd Amendment was to actually acknowledge and affirm people's right of self-protection. Self-preservation, therefore, should be THE POINT of DISCUSSION! Protection from other people as well as from tyrannical governments. (I used the terms "acknowledge" and "affirm" deliberately, since no government can actually bestow a right that nature (natural law) hasn't already bestowed upon all men.

Therefore, the fundamental, inalienable right of self-preservation must be the centerpiece to any discussion about the enactment of more stringent "gun control laws".

IF...and this is a very big IF in your case -- if you believe it is morally wrong to go around killing people with guns, then it's equally as wrong morally for any government to abuse its power by ignorantly disarming its people and effectively taking away from them the fundamental, inherent and inalienable right of self-preservation/protection.

Doesn't Natural Revelation (reality or nature as we all know it) tell us that all living things struggle to exist -- that all living things struggle to survive? Doesn't the animal kingdom tell us this, as well as the domain of humans? So then, why would any righteous government deprive its citizens the fundamental right to act in accordance with this -- the most basic law of nature -- the law of survival -- the law of self-preservation!?

The very fact that we're having this discussion should tell any thinking person that since many human beings are by nature killers that other humans, then, are their potential victims who should and, indeed, must protect themselves from these murderers. Wherever there are killers on the loose, there are always potential victims --always!

All very elementary, Dr. Watson.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You said one thuing and presto chango, hoping no one would notice, contradicted yourself.

I did not contradict myself. Politicians and the media own the bully pulpit. They talk the loudest and the longest.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

I don't agree that the root cause of all violence is a moral in nature?

I'm also not sure that "...violence is a moral in nature" doesn't have a typo in it somewhere. Perhaps you meant "violence is amoral in nature," although that doesn't make much sense either. Animals are neither moral nor amoral in the same sense we are. They kill out of need - food or defense. Violence has a cause. It may be cultural, as Westerns suggest. The root cause of violence could be hate as an outgrowth of mental illness. Look at the BTK killer. Outwardly very moral. A killer nonetheless. Can you explain him using a moral argument?

It is not the ultimate aim of most on the left to confiscate all privately-owned weapons. Many people on the left hunt and use guns for protections. They don't want them confiscated. That's just the uninformed opinion of linear thinkers in the bubble.

I don't own a gun. I'm against guns for me. That doesn't make me a leftist.There is a lot of logic in the idea of registration, and the banning of bump stocks, large clips, and weapons of war. You can do that without banning hunting rifles and certain handguns. If you want to shoot military rifles, go to a range, rent one and shoot.

Of course it is! Wake up and look around the world at socicalist/commie-light governments. It is these governments that have the the most stringent gun control laws. The ultimate aim of the left is to confiscate all guns. After all, isn't a disarmed citizenry much easier to control -- especially if things ever get dicey in a country for whatever reason?

And of course violence is moral in nature(Mat 15:19; Mk 7:21; Rev 9:21). And I would suggest this is precisely why amoral, inaminate guns have become the substitutionary moral object in this gun debate -- just as alcohol was during the prohibition era. Humans are never the moral objects in this debate. It's far, far too risky for politicians to go there.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

The art of recent western government, the founding of this country based on of rule by man, not God or king, specifies what can be done and what cannot.

For instance.....no establishment of a state religion and anyone insisting all citizens follow that one way.

But that is what leftists have been insisting now for decades -- insisting that everyone follow the "progressive" way-- and if you don't march lock step with the left, then you're demonized vehemently. Such people are racists, sexists, homophobes, islamaphobes, etc.. They are openly criticized and prohibited from speaking freely or even fired from their profession. It's the left's way or the highway.

Welcome to the Sweet Home of Totalitarianism.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Does anyone know how many semi automatic AK 47's have been used in mass shootings. Its getting mentioned so much now I got to think its a lot.

Quite a few.

ARs seem to be the preferred choice though but that's most likely a product of availability.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

The art of recent western government, the founding of this country based on of rule by man, not God or king, specifies what can be done and what cannot.

For instance.....no establishment of a state religion and anyone insisting all citizens follow that one way.

(emphasis mine)

Here's a great recent example of a woman who apparently doesn't subscribe to the secular religion of socialism. Watch carefully how she is treated by the "tolerant, compassionate, open-minded" leftist crowd, at a Beto O'Rourke rally.

That morally superior crowd very obviously thought they had a mortal lock on the one and only way.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/gu...d-hiss-at-her/

[boxcar]

LOL: MSNBC Poll On 2nd Amendment Backfires

Americans show support for those who carry guns in public

https://www.newswars.com/lol-msnbc-p...ent-backfires/