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09-20-2019, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
An important point to keep in mind we do not know the substance of this complaint or the identity the alleged bad actor, so this whole thread is conjecture.
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Everyone should take a deep breathe and read the above. I'm not sure when people of this country started spreading theories without facts, but Ely sure has jumped on the train. I see his partisan buddies have done the same.
From what we "know" Biden could be in as deep of shit as the thread starter seems to think Potus is. Why don't we wait till the facts are out? All of them
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09-20-2019, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ElKabong
Everyone should take a deep breathe and read the above. I'm not sure when people of this country started spreading theories without facts, but Ely sure has jumped on the train. I see his partisan buddies have done the same.
From what we "know" Biden could be in as deep of shit as the thread starter seems to think Potus is. Why don't we wait till the facts are out? All of them
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Because the facts about Biden have been out.
There was no "there" there. Everyone was calling for the firing of Shokin.
Meanwhile I agree the facts should come out. The President and his administration should release the information post-haste.
But I enjoy the shot.
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09-20-2019, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ElKabong
Everyone should take a deep breathe and read the above. I'm not sure when people of this country started spreading theories without facts, but Ely sure has jumped on the train. I see his partisan buddies have done the same.
From what we "know" Biden could be in as deep of shit as the thread starter seems to think Potus is. Why don't we wait till the facts are out? All of them
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From the latest reporting it is another nothing burger. Giuliani, the President's lawyer, did what he said he was going to do months ago regarding Biden's actions in the Ukraine.
Giuliani has the right to ask for the investigation of an elected officials actions in another country. Contrary to the initial reports there was no quid per quo promises, just strongly asking for an investigation into Biden's voluntary admissions against his interests.
If true, it is neither of "urgent of concern" or within the purview of the statute as Giuliani is not an employee of an intelligence agency.
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09-20-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Because the facts about Biden have been out.
There was no "there" there. Everyone was calling for the firing of Shokin.
Meanwhile I agree the facts should come out. The President and his administration should release the information post-haste.
But I enjoy the shot.
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Biden admitted in public exactly that the there that is there. Like Show Me the Wire stated this is more than likely to protect Biden from inquisition. I fear it is now too late for old Joe.
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09-20-2019, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Biden admitted in public exactly that the there that is there. Like Show Me the Wire stated this is more than likely to protect Biden from inquisition. I fear it is now too late for old Joe.
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We have Biden saying he committed criminal acts in a foreign country. Since this happened in the Ukraine and the only witnesses to Biden's actions are in the Ukraine, the investigation needs to take place in the Ukraine, which is where the witnesses are located.
The request for an investigation is on the up and up.
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09-20-2019, 05:49 PM
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I was going to wait a bit longer before reminding everyone, I have insisted it was only a matter of time. Almost ready.
Next few weeks we will learn more.
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We might, but YOU won't! 
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09-20-2019, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Biden admitted in public exactly that the there that is there. Like Show Me the Wire stated this is more than likely to protect Biden from inquisition. I fear it is now too late for old Joe.
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We don't.
I answered this already in the other thread and am too lazy to list again the 5 articles or so from the time calling for Shokin's removal from basically the entirety of the west.
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09-20-2019, 05:54 PM
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09-20-2019, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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Boosting your opinions with other opinions. Give us Biden's quote stating he asked for the removal of the prosecutor investigating his son due to pressure from the U.N. and for the good of the Ukrainian people.
Absent that quote, stop with your partisan unsubstantiated opinions. In this case we need an investigation to establish the facts regarding Biden's actions in the Ukraine.
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09-20-2019, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
People use whistleblower statutes to avoid retaliation.
You file one so a independent body can investigate and save you from reprisal.
The IG did that and found it "urgent" and "very concerning."
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If you were an anti-Trump leaker in the Intel Community afraid that you were about to be exposed with an investigation, might you not seek protection by calling yourself a "whistleblower".
Asking for a friend.
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09-20-2019, 06:52 PM
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Trying to make this a story about Joe Biden and/or his son is desperation. The WSJ article indicates that DJT is wheeling and dealing criminally in the WH trading military aid for election favors. He's trying to run the country like a schlockhouse real estate firm, all that he's ever known.
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09-20-2019, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike
Trying to make this a story about Joe Biden and/or his son is desperation. The WSJ article indicates that DJT is wheeling and dealing criminally in the WH trading military aid for election favors. He's trying to run the country like a schlockhouse real estate firm, all that he's ever known.
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Not according to the latest reported news. You are repeating Schiff's claim, which so far has not been supported.
The story has always been about Biden. See: http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...ne#post2467515
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09-20-2019, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Because the facts about Biden have been out.
There was no "there" there. Everyone was calling for the firing of Shokin.
Meanwhile I agree the facts should come out. The President and his administration should release the information post-haste.
But I enjoy the shot.
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That is a bold blank statement completely unverifiable from the king of similar statements. Here is the thing, destroying uncle Joe leaving his life in a shambles will do much to hurt the socialist that you really want Pocahontas, the stench that will be left is that they are all the same. Expect operatives well known to lob rocks at him until he suspends his campaign or worse.
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09-20-2019, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
That is a bold blank statement completely unverifiable from the king of similar statements. Here is the thing, destroying uncle Joe leaving his life in a shambles will do much to hurt the socialist that you really want Pocahontas, the stench that will be left is that they are all the same. Expect operatives well known to lob rocks at him until he suspends his campaign or worse.
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I have listed the people that called for Shokins ouster.
They include but aren't limited to:
IMF
EU
US
Germany
Switzerland
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't verfiable.
Here is more:
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Although estimates vary, Donald Bowser, an adviser to Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau, said that "easily over a dozen billion US dollars a year" continue to be stolen from the Ukrainian state through corruption.
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The prosecutor general himself, Viktor Shokin - who was recently targeted in an assassination attempt - serves at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko. Shokin and the prosecutor general's office "give a legal facade to the corruption schemes", Bowser claimed.
Since he was appointed as prosecutor general by Poroshenko in February, Shokin has not brought any cases of corruption to court involving Yanukovich or his partners. Nor has he prosecuted the hundreds of high-level corruption cases that have been brought to his office by Ukraine's parliamentary committee on preventing and combating corruption.
"Reform is definitely being halted within the prosecutor's office, just because the stakes are so high. There's so much money in that system. And the problem is that the logical thing for many of the people within the system is to say, 'Okay, take your money and run'," said Bowser.
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Funny aside in the story detailing this guy's corruption:
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In July, Volodymyr Shapakin, chief of the investigation department of the prosecutor general's office, and Oleksandr Korniets, former deputy prosecutor of the Kiev region, were arrested. Suspected of taking bribes and running protection and extortion rackets, the two were found with $400,000 in cash, 65 diamonds and a Kalashnikov rifle.
The men became known as "The Diamond Prosecutors", and Sakvarelidze tried to press charges against them.
But the day after the pair were arrested, Sakvarelidze found himself accused by the prosecutor general's office of unjustly raiding a state institution. The "Diamond Prosecutors" were soon released on bail. Nothing has since come of the case, nor of the accusations against Sakvarelidze.
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$12 Billion lost through corruption.
Yeah Biden certainly shouldn't have called for this guys head in exchange for more United States aid... 
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09-20-2019, 08:05 PM
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And if it comes to pass that uncle Joe suspends his campaign or worse between now and the Primary election it will prove your posts to be unverifiable. I think he will be in the news constantly blocking out others and thus leaving them like a dry hole when he is gone. History in the making, we all get to see this one.
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