HIDDEN SCROLL

[big frank]

Honest Mischief looks like a really talented horse for Jud ! I feel he will be a big player in the belmont if Chad goes that way................

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Damn.


Back to the drawing board. Can't even wall off OC$75K company at 7F.

[delsully]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Damn.


Back to the drawing board. Can't even wall off OC$75K company at 7F.

Do you think this horse is ruined or can he come back?

[Fightingirish51195]

Turf horse

[big frank]

That was the real Hidden Scroll yesterday ! Big things to come this year---------if he stays healthy ! a lot of options for Mott----could see him on turf down the road------could stay mid distance/sprint---could stretch out--exiting horse when he is on his A game

[the little guy]

Yeah, he'll be on the turf when they have completely given up ( which I am guessing won't happen...they would retire him first ).

[CaptainObvious]

The horse could flourish this year in one turn races. Glad to see he got over his case of “derby fever”.

[jay68802]

He beat a small field of $25,000 horses. Showed the same thing as he did when he broke his maiden. Wired a weak group and will get a good figure.Would not get to excited get.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by jay68802

. Wired a weak group and will get a good figure.Would not get to excited get.

He rated 3 furlongs. He beat nothing. The eye buzz was good. He gave me a reason to watch him again.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Suff

He rated 3 furlongs. He beat nothing. The eye buzz was good. He gave me a reason to watch him again.

That is a great summary of the race. I saw nothing to knock him in the slightest, but if he jumped into a G1 next and went off at 2-1, I'd probably bet against him.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by cj

That is a great summary of the race. I saw nothing to knock him in the slightest, but if he jumped into a G1 next and went off at 2-1, I'd probably bet against him.

Two quotes from this last weekend reminded again how I have no clue, particularly on young mental-case horses.

Dale Romans on Dennis's Moment last place finish in the FOY.

He ate all his food after the race, so I have no idea what happened.

Jason Servis on Maximum Security's first place finish in the Saudia Cup.

He ate all his food the next day so he came out good.

Even in a grade 3 , 2-1 is still a finger-crossed bet that he runs the same or better. Repeat what I saw. A 4 year old, moderately raced including 3 already at Gulfstream, being paddock schooled before an optional claimer. The horse might be nuts.

[CaptainObvious]

Originally Posted by cj

That is a great summary of the race. I saw nothing to knock him in the slightest, but if he jumped into a G1 next and went off at 2-1, I'd probably bet against him.

How about 7/2 in a G3?

This horse burns more money than the federal reserve, kinda reminds me of promises fulfilled.

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

How about 7/2 in a G3?

This horse burns more money than the federal reserve, kinda reminds me of promises fulfilled.

Juddmonte Farms needs to reassess their strategy with their US horses; maybe get a racing manager specifically for this country.

Not sure what is up with all the rush jobs; maybe they are extrapolating from their European campaigns where young horses typically achieve their progression in training rather than through racing. Don't think it works like that here. These US horses should be allowed to get through their allowance conditions (if they fill--that's a whole other story) in a logical fashion rather than having to takes months off every time they get their head handed to them in a stakes.

Just in the last couple of years Juddmonte has botched it with Hidden Scroll, Honest Mischief, and Hofburg, all 3 of whom looked like nice horses but went from maiden wins directly to Grade 1s and couldn't handle it. You might even say they were heavy-handed with Tacitus, who ran in the Tampa Bay Derby off a 3-month layoff and only a maiden win, but he took it in stride. He has subsequently developed into a bridesmaid despite facing a weak and battered 3yo crop last year.

Hidden Scroll is probably fried at this point and/or he is simply a horse that cannot contest a fast pace and still finish. Maybe if he stretches out he will have an easier time of it. The ill-fated Left Bank was like that when he was a young horse (devastating in allowance races, but couldn't find when up against a quality pace), but once he stretched out he improved and even started to settle in his sprint races.

Left Bank wasn't thrown to the wolves early they way Hidden Scroll was, though, so I wouldn't hold out much hope of seeing a Phoenix rising...from Arizona.

[cj]

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

How about 7/2 in a G3?

This horse burns more money than the federal reserve, kinda reminds me of promises fulfilled.

Yeah, talked about it on the podcast this week, I completely dismissed him. That was much better than your typical G3 race.

Promises Fulfilled won plenty, not sure he's the best comparison.

[Tom]

I don't see why everyone thinks this is even a stake horse - I think his goal should be to get past nw2x first - not a imagine, IMHO.

No way I use him in any stakes at this point - not at all impressed past his fluke msw win in the slop.