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09-24-2018, 09:41 AM
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#811
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Its been botched from the start. They should have pulled him the second this broke claiming they wanted to protect him and his family. Put someone else up and move on.
They are screwed no matter what now.
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Trying to blame the nomination of an innocent man on the innocent man are we. 
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09-24-2018, 10:07 AM
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#812
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
Trying to blame the nomination of an innocent man on the innocent man are we. |
I'm not blaming anybody...
Its not a good spot to be in and could have been pretty easily avoided.
Its not like there is some massive shortage of conservative jurists out there and its always been Kavanaugh or bust.
Politically its been poorly played.
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09-24-2018, 10:08 AM
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#813
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Yup... he apparently wasn't vetted very well...
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Yeah, that's the problem... 
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09-24-2018, 10:08 AM
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#814
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09-24-2018, 10:15 AM
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#815
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Yeah, that's the problem... |
Sure seems to be doesn't it...?
Probably could've just pulled Kavanaugh and rolled out Barrett. A woman, a conservative, easy for Collins to support because her public comments on RvW are pretty clear, and probably less likely to have assaulted someone... 
But I digress...
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And we are at the point now where is doesn't matter if the guy is actually good or not...
It's about the #winning!
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09-24-2018, 10:17 AM
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#816
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Its been botched from the start. They should have pulled him the second this broke claiming they wanted to protect him and his family. Put someone else up and move on.
They are screwed no matter what now.
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I disagree - the dims have weaponized the MeToo movement at their convenience. They are trying to change justice to guilty until accused have proved their innocence. I think it will backfire on the dims on Feinstein.
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09-24-2018, 10:26 AM
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#817
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Sure seems to be doesn't it...?
Probably could've just pulled Kavanaugh and rolled out Barrett. A woman, a conservative, easy for Collins to support because her public comments on RvW are pretty clear, and probably less likely to have assaulted someone...
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How exactly could one have vetted K prior to putting him up for nomination that would have discovered these women waiting in the wings to tell their story?
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09-24-2018, 10:28 AM
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#818
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Originally Posted by davew
I disagree - the dims have weaponized the MeToo movement at their convenience. They are trying to change justice to guilty until accused have proved their innocence. I think it will backfire on the dims on Feinstein.
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You're out of your damned mind and this only plays this way with the "Trump Free-Base Addicts."
Your only goal in this is to pack the court with conservative justices. This faux loyalty to Brett Kavanaugh shows just how dumb Trump and his base are...
At the expense of votes in 45 days you're going to try and ram through a guy who may or may not be a bit rape-y at times. Probably not but its beside the point... what loyalty does Kavanaugh command or deserve where your only goal is court packing...?
More detachment from reality...
Its really too bad the GOP didn't have a 40 something, woman, conservative, jurist, on their short list...
.. oh wait.
Its been poorly played and I can assure you GOP senators would do the happy dance if Kavanaugh just removed himself so they can push someone else through...
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09-24-2018, 10:29 AM
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They had their knives ready for the 40-something woman too...or weren't you paying attention back then?
I believe they had started in earnest with the "Christian wingbat loon" mantra the moment her name was mentioned...
And oh yeah, they labeled her a cult member as well...forgot about that for a minute...
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09-24-2018, 10:32 AM
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#820
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
How exactly could one have vetted K prior to putting him up for nomination that would have discovered these women waiting in the wings to tell their story?
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The same way the FBI does it with other people.
Personally, I've talked with FBI agents regarding some of my friends. They call you. Set up a time to show up and then ask you a bunch of crazy off-the-wall questions.
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09-24-2018, 10:36 AM
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#821
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I'm not blaming anybody...
Its not a good spot to be in and could have been pretty easily avoided.
Its not like there is some massive shortage of conservative jurists out there and its always been Kavanaugh or bust.
Politically its been poorly played.
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Yes they could have avoided it all by naming Garland.  Anyone else on the short list would be carved up on trumped up accusations. you can bet on that.
Its.The Dem.Way.
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09-24-2018, 10:36 AM
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#822
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The same way the FBI does it with other people.
Personally, I've talked with FBI agents regarding some of my friends. They call you. Set up a time to show up and then ask you a bunch of crazy off-the-wall questions.
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The FBI ran 6 security checks on this guy.
You have lost your mind and if you do not see how political this is, you are truly part of the dim cult. Are you and you family a multimillionaire like the dem leaders have made themselves with kickbacks and insider information, or you just one of their followers looking for handouts?
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09-24-2018, 10:36 AM
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#823
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
You might not like the way he talks or tweets but he's getting the job done. And done well.
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Con myhology
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09-24-2018, 10:37 AM
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#824
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
They had their knives ready for the 40-something woman too...or weren't you paying attention back then?
I believe they had started in earnest with the "Christian wingbat loon" mantra the moment her name was mentioned...
And oh yeah, they labeled her a cult member as well...forgot about that for a minute...
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Yup...
Defending against the standard political attacks of she's anti-abortion/Christian is quite a bit easier than "possible sexual predator."
You pull Kavanaugh and put her up the second the stuff you weren't prepared to deal with breaks... Democrats can only mount so many attacks before they begin to look desperate and disingenuous.
Again your goal is court-packing... nothing else... but lets not put it past the Trump Free-base movement to lose sight of that...
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09-24-2018, 10:37 AM
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#825
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The same way the FBI does it with other people.
Personally, I've talked with FBI agents regarding some of my friends. They call you. Set up a time to show up and then ask you a bunch of crazy off-the-wall questions.
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With friends like you who needs enemies.
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