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08-16-2015, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
End birthright citizenship.
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Would require a constitutional amendment. Getting a proposal is the problem.
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08-16-2015, 05:34 PM
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#842
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
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The beauty of birthright citizenship is its simplicity. If I am not a citizen by birth within the borders, what makes me or anyone else a citizen?
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08-16-2015, 06:01 PM
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#843
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Originally Posted by _______
The beauty of birthright citizenship is its simplicity. If I am not a citizen by birth within the borders, what makes me or anyone else a citizen?
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Being born to a parent or parents who are citizens. That is just as simple. The majority of countries don't have birthright citizenship.
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08-16-2015, 06:35 PM
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Start cracking down on those employ illegals.
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08-16-2015, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Start cracking down on those employ illegals.
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It makes a lot more sense for a president to go into office with the first priority of enforcing existing laws rather than trying to get major changes through Congress. It will take years to get meaningful legislation passed.
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08-16-2015, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Start cracking down on those employ illegals.
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While I don't think that employers should get a pass it seems a little ridiculous for the US government to use resources cracking down on US employers when the resources should have been used minimizing the number of illegals here in the first place. So the employers should suffer because the government fails to do their job.
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08-16-2015, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
While I don't think that employers should get a pass it seems a little ridiculous for the US government to use resources cracking down on US employers when the resources should have been used minimizing the number of illegals here in the first place. So the employers should suffer because the government fails to do their job.
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The employers are equally guilty when they hire illegals. They should be held accountable.
They do not pay SS taxes, employment insurance and taxes, etc., so they are defrauding the US government and stealing from the taxpayer.
Not to mention these companies are denying jobs --that are needed and available-- to American citizens.
They should suffer.
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08-16-2015, 09:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyC
While I don't think that employers should get a pass it seems a little ridiculous for the US government to use resources cracking down on US employers when the resources should have been used minimizing the number of illegals here in the first place. So the employers should suffer because the government fails to do their job.
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They re magnets.
Crack down on them seize the business, plants, farms, etc., and sell them to pay for the border security.
I am against seizure without due process for people, but I can turn my head for a business being screwed over.
All the tools must be used. This is just one them.
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08-16-2015, 10:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless
The employers are equally guilty when they hire illegals. They should be held accountable.
They do not pay SS taxes, employment insurance and taxes, etc., so they are defrauding the US government and stealing from the taxpayer.
Not to mention these companies are denying jobs --that are needed and available-- to American citizens.
They should suffer.
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Why wouldn't the employer be paying SS taxes, etc? Is he treating them as independent contractors or paying them under the table? They should be held accountable for not following US tax laws but not required to do the work of the US border patrol. I am a big proponent of e-verify.
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08-16-2015, 10:57 PM
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Trump has been talking about how he isn't taking campaign donations, so he won't owe favors like all of the other politicians. Campaign finance reform is something that both liberals and conservatives feel we need and these politicians ignore it. Good move on his part bringing out the truth on how these people are bought.
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08-16-2015, 10:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
They re magnets.
Crack down on them seize the business, plants, farms, etc., and sell them to pay for the border security.
I am against seizure without due process for people, but I can turn my head for a business being screwed over.
All the tools must be used. This is just one them.
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So let's see. Our government provides food, shelter, medical and benefits to illegal aliens but God forbid an employer give a job to one. The employers are not the problem, it's a lack of control at the border.
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08-16-2015, 10:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
It makes a lot more sense for a president to go into office with the first priority of enforcing existing laws rather than trying to get major changes through Congress. It will take years to get meaningful legislation passed.
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Spot on!
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08-16-2015, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
Trump has been talking about how he isn't taking campaign donations, so he won't owe favors like all of the other politicians. Campaign finance reform is something that both liberals and conservatives feel we need and these politicians ignore it. Good move on his part bringing out the truth on how these people are bought.
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Just exactly how should campaigns be financed? Campaign finance reform sounds great until you get into the details.
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08-16-2015, 11:04 PM
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#854
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Trump said what?
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08-16-2015, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
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Trump made that observation under the Bush reign.
Clearly, he has changed his mind under Obama's build up of the National Debt to over $18 trillion.
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