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04-25-2019, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by reckless
Wow. From the analysis I have read today in just this one thread says one thing and one thing only:
Donald J. Trump is a cinch, sure winner and a mortal lock to win re-election in 2020.
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Completely agree. On April 25, 2019 Reckless and I said the election is over. 
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04-25-2019, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
$3.85 Trillion isn't a real number. Those are billing numbers in which 20% or so is actually collected.
So if my company no longer pays for my healthcare, I can only assume that'll come back to me in my paycheck as I pay out the ass in taxes for M4A in 2020 forward? 
You'll never convince Guvmint healthcare for the entire masses is a great plan.
The real plan is to reduce prices for prescription drugs and the prices of overall healthcare. We may well have the best healthcare on the planet, but we are paying twice to thrice the price for it. Fix that. Not the insurance. |
I don't disagree with all of that but part of the problem is we have a shortage of care...
Its supply and demand.
We can afford M4A though.
As you've highlighted there are several other problems with the system that could be addressed and used to attack M4A.... Cost just really isn't the best thing to attack.
I will say this though... M4A is certainly a better plan than the Trump one at the moment. 
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04-25-2019, 08:05 PM
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Location: New Hampshire
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I'm not trying to defend a plan I don't support but the numbers are there... we can afford it...
In the M4A plan like Warren's you and your employer aren't paying any premiums anymore.
Hell, American's spent 3.85 Trillion last year anyway.
As far as Medicare being better than plans from employers... its better than most. Any argument to the contrary is pretty foolish... Medicare doesn't have networks for starters.
There are plenty of things to attack M4A but continually repeating an argument that is pretty easily debunked is foolish. Access to care... something you brought up is certainly one of them.
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we can afford it...
What a joke your post is, who here does not believe this guy is not getting paid to post this crappola?
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04-25-2019, 08:48 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Biden's speech was totally the rantings of an idiot.
I couldn't believe I was hearing what he said.
Must be he fell on his head over the winter.
Ironically, some out there loved it and buy it.
We call them morons.
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04-25-2019, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
we can afford it...
What a joke your post is, who here does not believe this guy is not getting paid to post this crappola?
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Out of the $3.5 Trillion in Healthcare costs in 2017 the government paid approximately 47% of it and the public the remainder...
Source
Please stop with the childish name-calling. This information is out there if you're willing to look.
Repeatedly yelling "we can't afford it" when we're already spending that is just silly.
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04-25-2019, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Out of the $3.5 Trillion in Healthcare costs in 2017 the government paid approximately 47% of it and the public the remainder...
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Please stop with the childish name-calling. This information is out there if you're willing to look.
Repeatedly yelling "we can't afford it" when we're already spending that is just silly. |
Don't their plan eliminate private insurance. I will connect the dots if needed.
elys you remind me of a crawfish......ankle biting and walking sideways or perhaps a paid troll.
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04-25-2019, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
What a joke your post is, who here does not believe this guy is not getting paid to post this crappola?
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I don't not disagree.
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04-25-2019, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by incoming
Don't their plan eliminate private insurance. I will connect the dots if needed.
elys you remind me of a crawfish......ankle biting and walking sideways or perhaps a paid troll.
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Go ahead and connect them!
That's what I've been trying to get these people to do for weeks!
Saying it will cost $32 trillion over the next 10 years isn't all that scary when we're already paying $3.85 in 2018 and $3.5 in 2017.
It's a bad argument.
Shortages, access to, and quality of care are better arguments.
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04-25-2019, 10:14 PM
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Biden broke laws when he was talking to the Iranians he helped make the bad deal with. He met with them after Trump started cracking down, and told them to hang in there because his party will be back soon.
Biden broke laws when he threatened to withhold US Aid to Ukraine if they did not fire the prosecutor looking into Biden's son and the gas company $3 million dollar payment.
Maybe if he gets nominated, he could have Hillary run as his VP? She is smart enough to know she could get in the back door if Joe happened to die before her.
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04-25-2019, 10:15 PM
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I rest my case!!
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04-25-2019, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by incoming
I rest my case!! |
You didn't make one.
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04-25-2019, 10:19 PM
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Location: Kentucky
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Originally Posted by incoming
elys you remind me of a crawfish......ankle biting and walking sideways or perhaps a paid troll.
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I wish the guys who work for me would work as hard as he does here.
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04-25-2019, 10:29 PM
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The 'Three Musketeers' strikes again.....hcap, elys and mostpost. 
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04-25-2019, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by baconswitchfarm
I wish the guys who work for me would work as hard as he does here.
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Great Point!!! It's amazing.....
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04-25-2019, 10:38 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Lincoln, NE
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I don't disagree with all of that but part of the problem is we have a shortage of care...
Its supply and demand.
We can afford M4A though.
As you've highlighted there are several other problems with the system that could be addressed and used to attack M4A.... Cost just really isn't the best thing to attack.
I will say this though... M4A is certainly a better plan than the Trump one at the moment. |
Pretty naive brother.
The Dem Obamacare plan has been in circulation and attempted dating back to Jimmy Carter. Mass healthcare has been a pure mission for the Clintons, that they never solved, and yet Obama put forth a 40 year search for who knows what.
Trump gets 100 days or less and the Dems are chuckling. Fitting.
Reality is, it has to come from Congress. The clowns we elect across the country are the ones with the supposed intellect and want to in order to make our lives better.
Not a one of them is worthy of our respect. And not a one of them will have the answer. M4A isn't the answer.
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