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09-20-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by davew
deflection from brown nosed leader of Canada?
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I see what you did there! 
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09-20-2019, 03:19 PM
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#812
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09-20-2019, 03:29 PM
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#813
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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Your quoting Lindsey Graham now, oh boy. 
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09-20-2019, 03:33 PM
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#814
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
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Just updating what's happening.
He is right in that we have lost deterrence.
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09-20-2019, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Just updating what's happening.
He is right in that we have lost deterrence.
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We lost deterrence when Obama gave them pallets of cash. Cash Iran used to fund terrorism and buy weapons.
Bombing people is not a deterrent. It did not work in WWII it is not going to work in this case. Bombing had the opposite effect of its intended use. The thought was bombing would demoralize the population and deter aggression, while the bombing actually increased the population's will to fight.
Also, bombing did not deter the Viet Cong. Bombing is not a deterrent.
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Last edited by Show Me the Wire; 09-20-2019 at 03:43 PM.
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09-20-2019, 04:13 PM
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#816
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Last edited by elysiantraveller; 09-20-2019 at 04:15 PM.
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09-20-2019, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
We lost deterrence when Obama gave them pallets of cash. Cash Iran used to fund terrorism and buy weapons.
Bombing people is not a deterrent. It did not work in WWII it is not going to work in this case. Bombing had the opposite effect of its intended use. The thought was bombing would demoralize the population and deter aggression, while the bombing actually increased the population's will to fight.
Also, bombing did not deter the Viet Cong. Bombing is not a deterrent.
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You're correct here.
Please forgive Ely. His only frame of reference regarding wars and bombing comes from video games.
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09-20-2019, 04:16 PM
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#818
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Sen. Cassidy (R) no American treasure or blood should be spent to protect Saudi Arabia from Iran.
According to the Senator the correct action is sanctions cutting off cash to Iran. Iran is looking for something to rally their people to its failed leadership.
What better way to rally your people than an attack on them by the U.S.?
Seems like Senator Cassidy (R) and Rep. Garamendi (D) disagree with Sen. Lindsey Graham.
I personally agree with Sen. Cassidy and Rep. Garamendi.
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09-20-2019, 04:26 PM
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#819
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElKabong
You're correct here.
Please forgive Ely. His only frame of reference regarding wars and bombing comes from video games.
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I forgot all the tankers Iran was seizing and striking from 2015-2018.
Also the refinery's that were attacked.
Please post links.
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09-20-2019, 04:32 PM
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#820
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At some point Trump is going to have to either back down or respond militarily.
It's going to be hilarious revisiting these posts.
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09-20-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
At some point Trump is going to have to either back down or respond militarily.
It's going to be hilarious revisiting these posts.
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No on both. Trump will bring Iran to heel, There are other ways.
Iran is a fast sinking ship that is taking on water faster than they can bale, no need for bombs to bring them down. Trump has this.
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09-20-2019, 04:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
At some point Trump is going to have to either back down or respond militarily.
It's going to be hilarious revisiting these posts.
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Not responding to an attack on Saudi Arabia is not backing down.
You do know a military attack on a foreign country is an act of war and only Congress can declare war? The President does not have the authority to militarily attack another country, unless it is in defense of the U.S.
An attack on Saudi Arabia is not an attack on the U.S. Saudi Arabia can defend itself.
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A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.
George Washington
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09-20-2019, 04:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I forgot all the tankers Iran was seizing and striking from 2015-2018.
Also the refinery's that were attacked.
Please post links.
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They are being cripple economically the ordinary people are rumbling and the ruling class is trying to distract them...by lashing out... a conflict with US would help bring people back in line. Further ramping up of sanctions are way to go.and after all the above mentioned behavior getting everyone onboard should be easier.
But regardless of what Trumps does it will be wrong in your little world.
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09-20-2019, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Not responding to an attack on Saudi Arabia is not backing down.
You do know a military attack on a foreign country is an act of war and only Congress can declare war? The President does not have the authority to militarily attack another country, unless it is in defense of the U.S.
An attack on Saudi Arabia is not an attack on the U.S. Saudi Arabia can defend itself.
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Sure he can.
It's called the War Powers Act.
Plus I'm pretty sure Iran has already downed American aircraft so...
Understand though, I'm not saying he's backing down now. I'm saying he hasn't a clue what to do.
Eventually he'll have no choice to back down or respond.
Iran will keep escalating because... we've lost deterrence.
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09-20-2019, 04:56 PM
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#825
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OntheRail
They are being cripple economically the ordinary people are rumbling and the ruling class is trying to distract them...by lashing out... a conflict with US would help bring people back in line. Further ramping up of sanctions are way to go.and after all the above mentioned behavior getting everyone onboard should be easier.
But regardless of what Trumps does it will be wrong in your little world.
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First of all there were no sanctions left to ramp up.
That's all smoke and mirrors to give the impression something is being done.
Plus... you've been saying this for 18 months now...
Iran has been under sanctions for the past 40 years...
I'm sure any day now this will work. 
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