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View Poll Results: Which horse will be the 2019 American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse?
Mr. Money 11 11.46%
Maximum Security 38 39.58%
War of Will 4 4.17%
Code Of Honor 31 32.29%
Tacitus 3 3.13%
Sir Winston 0 0%
Other 9 9.38%
Voters: 96. This poll is closed

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Old 11-24-2019, 12:31 PM   #211
dilanesp
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Yeah well they do. Every hockey call is never made and cops give warnings all the time. Saying that was cut and dry is foolish. Calling it intentionally done is also foolish . Other Jockeys have already said that horse was spooked. Plus, even implying that was the 17 th best horse in that race is total BS. He was clearly best.

Furthermore, throw the race out , pretend he didn’t even enter. His resume for the year is better that all Of these other underachieving 3 yo with maybe The exception of COH. The reality is that other than COH none of the others come close. And that horse they did put up in the derby...... never ran again . This is why the internet gets me in trouble. People just make up crap without the facts or taking in the reality of the circumstances. What derbies have people been watching to pretend there’s never been fouls and rough trips.?
And it didn’t really matter. This horse beat the Travers winner, the BC Mile winner and he was heads and tails better than the derby second choice/almost co fave. It’s a joke people are making cases for anyone else. He actually destroyed COH in the Fla Derby. And he’s got the closest accomplishments.
1. Burnsy, to deny that it was intentionally done, you have to look at that one incident in isolation of everything else Saez is doing in the race. He is CLEARLY shutting off War of Will BOTH to his right and to his left SEVERAL times in the race, not just the foul. And he then careens back after the foul to try and shut off Code of Honor as well.

Of course it was intentional.

2. I am not arguing that Maximum Security wasn't the best horse in the Derby. He was. The DQ was still proper.

3. The fact that sometimes a cop lets you off with a warning doesn't make it improper when he tickets you. This is a VERY key point. Yes, NBA referees sometimes don't call traveling in a crucial situation. But that doesn't mean that if LeBron travels before an apparent game winning shot and the ref DOES whistle it, there's anything wrong. If you get a break, it's just that, a break. They aren't required to give you one.

If you want to argue the stewards could have decided "oh well, it's the Derby", I guess they could have. That would have been disregarding a major, intentional foul that risked several horses, but sure, the stewards decide these things, not me. They can, if they want to, decide to do that.

But that discretion, if it exists, doesn't in any way prove that the stewards' decision to disqualify MS for his jockey's deliberate action in endangering several other horses and riders was improper. They followed the letter of the law, which was absolutely fine.
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