Boycott of SA Organized for March 23-26

[cj]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

CHRB Executive Director Baedecker at it again. Little did we know back then that this guy would become CHRB Commissioner


https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...7&action=click

Spirited debate over whip use at panel discussion

http://www.drf.com/news/spirited-deb...nel-discussion

Of all the things that need addressing in racing this probably falls on about page 27.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by cj

Of all the things that need addressing in racing this probably falls on about page 27.

That's what drives me nuts. These people keep putting all their energy into painting the ship while it's sinking.

Frank Angst‏ @BH_FAngst 3h3 hours ago
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Baedeker said @EspinozasVictor use of the riding crop in his Derby win on American Pharoah was in line with the California rule.

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

CHRB Executive Director Baedecker at it again. Little did we know back then that this guy would become CHRB Commissioner


https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...7&action=click

Spirited debate over whip use at panel discussion

http://www.drf.com/news/spirited-deb...nel-discussion

This stuff is insulting to serious players, the emphasis on this essentially says 'we think you're stupid so we are going to work feverishly on the PERCEPTION because we know that will distract you from the real issues that we keep avoiding'

[Andy Asaro]

Jon Lindo‏ @JonLindo60

Santa Anita will try to draw entries today for Thursday and Friday after not being able to fill Thursday card at entry time yesterday.

[Mr. Pick 5]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

Jon Lindo‏ @JonLindo60

Santa Anita will try to draw entries today for Thursday and Friday after not being able to fill Thursday card at entry time yesterday.

California Racing

Theyve actually been pretty dead for a while imho.

[olddaddy]

No racing at Santa Anita on this thursday because of lack of entries.

[JohnGalt1]

I handicapped SA's 4/23 card for the first time in along while.

I saved paper and ink printing the pp's.

I made a pick 5 bet of 3 singles and hit the all button on the other two races.

And two win bets, which might get canceled if the odds are too low.

So I saved $'s too.

I now prefer Midwest racing because of larger pools, and because I don't feel like I'm wasting my time just to find 2 playable races.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by olddaddy

No racing at Santa Anita on this thursday because of lack of entries.

Sent to email list this morning.

Has the silent majority had enough yet? Next time you see Brackpool and Pegram shake their hands and thank them for accelerating the decline of California Racing.

I hear Baedecker is working on creating chalk lanes like the Olympics but a little wider so horses have to stay in on path the whole way around. Hey Rick, gotta get new gates for each horse. LOL

Link to article about cancelling Thursday Card. http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-...icient-entries

[HalvOnHorseracing]

The important sentence in that article was

In addition, he [Baedecker] contended that horses were maintaining straighter paths in the stretch as a result of not being whipped as often, and he said that attacks by animal-welfare advocates over the use of the whip had declined.

I'm sure Baedecker has more proof on horses running straighter than, "I watched a couple of races yesterday," and some more mathematical calculation to verify the correlation. I also wonder if the animal rights people simply said, ok, let's go back to focusing on drugging-gone-wild.

In the movie Payback, crime lord Kris Kristoferson is getting ready to torture Mel Gibson for information about the son Gibson had kidnapped. Kristoferson tells Gibson that if he gives up the information, he'll kill him quickly, but if he holds out he'll torture him for three weeks before he kills him.

That is analogous to dealing with the animal rights people. If you give into them they'll be happy to kill racing quickly, and if you don't, they'll torture racing over time until they kill it.

Anyone who believes the animal rights people have the slightest desire to see racing thrive is at the least naive and more likely desperate. I'd have a hard time believing serious racing fans left the sport over the jockey whipping the horse more than three times without pausing.

The jockeys and their supporters talked about educating the racing public. The effort is unnecessary for the people who have ardently supported the sport. We weren't the ones complaining to begin with. But the effort would be useful for the animal rights people, despite the fact it would make almost no difference.

I had always heard that the reason whipping the hindquarters worked was for two reasons. One, the sound was startling, and two, it simulated where the attack might come from in the wild (not quite a mountain lion, but the horse gets the point). I think the jockeys are right - technology can develop a crop that accomplishes those two purposes without creating cuts or welts, or in any way hurting the horse.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

The important sentence in that article was

In addition, he [Baedecker] contended that horses were maintaining straighter paths in the stretch as a result of not being whipped as often, and he said that attacks by animal-welfare advocates over the use of the whip had declined.

I'm sure Baedecker has more proof on horses running straighter than, "I watched a couple of races yesterday," and some more mathematical calculation to verify the correlation. I also wonder if the animal rights people simply said, ok, let's go back to focusing on drugging-gone-wild.

In the movie Payback, crime lord Kris Kristoferson is getting ready to torture Mel Gibson for information about the son Gibson had kidnapped. Kristoferson tells Gibson that if he gives up the information, he'll kill him quickly, but if he holds out he'll torture him for three weeks before he kills him.

That is analogous to dealing with the animal rights people. If you give into them they'll be happy to kill racing quickly, and if you don't, they'll torture racing over time until they kill it.

Anyone who believes the animal rights people have the slightest desire to see racing thrive is at the least naive and more likely desperate. I'd have a hard time believing serious racing fans left the sport over the jockey whipping the horse more than three times without pausing.

The jockeys and their supporters talked about educating the racing public. The effort is unnecessary for the people who have ardently supported the sport. We weren't the ones complaining to begin with. But the effort would be useful for the animal rights people, despite the fact it would make almost no difference.

I had always heard that the reason whipping the hindquarters worked was for two reasons. One, the sound was startling, and two, it simulated where the attack might come from in the wild (not quite a mountain lion, but the horse gets the point). I think the jockeys are right - technology can develop a crop that accomplishes those two purposes without creating cuts or welts, or in any way hurting the horse.

They don't want any whipping but the truth is they don't want any racing period. The 3 whip thing doesn't matter because it's three more than they want.

Baedeker isn't too bright. At first I thought this was an anomaly but watching him over the last few years I think it say a lot about him. Gotta watch it to believe it.

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[airford1]

The Great Race place has a Fork in it and the only way it can be saved is with huge tax write offs for the Breeders and Owners along with Huge taxes on the California Casinos. Benjamin Warren and Barry Abrams kept California in horses for the last 15 years. The current management at Santa Anita is just spraying perfume on the Pig in hopes that they make it to retirement before it closes.Does California horse racing have a lobbyist working for them?

[Andy Asaro]

Notice is hereby given that a meeting of the California Horse Racing Board will be held on
Thursday, April 27, 2017, commencing at 9:30 a.m., in the Baldwin Terrace Room at the
Santa Anita Park Race Track, 285 West Huntington Drive, Arcadia, California. The audio
portion only of the California Horse Racing Board regular meeting will be available online
through a link at the CHRB website (www.chrb.ca.gov) under "Webcasts."

Meeting Agenda attached.

[Andy Asaro]

Jeremy Balan‏ @BH_JBalan 16m16 minutes ago
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Following up on last night, let's unpack the last 5-6 months or so for @BetAmerica, which involves the CHRB, Stronach Group, and TOC..

Jeremy Balan‏ @BH_JBalan 12m12 minutes ago

So @BetAmerica is out in CA bc of geolocation, but the approved ADWs (@TwinSpires, @NYRABets, @Xpressbet & @TVG) operate w/o geo for months

Jeremy Balan‏ @BH_JBalan 12m12 minutes ago
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Cut out of the California market, @BetAmerica sells to Churchill Downs, Inc. in April.

Jeremy Balan‏ @BH_JBalan 14m14 minutes ago
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Later in December, TOC cut out @BetAmerica and @watchandwager in California and cited their unwillingness to use geolocation.

Jeremy Balan‏ @BH_JBalan 15m15 minutes ago
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In Dec. The Stronach Group's Scott Daruty told CHRB Santa Anita & GGF wanted to "limit" ADWs, cutting out @BetAmerica & @watchandwager.

[JohnGalt1]

[QUOTE In Dec. The Stronach Group's Scott Daruty told CHRB Santa Anita & GGF wanted to "limit" ADWs, cutting out @BetAmerica & @watchandwager.[/QUOTE]

That would be like Amazon cutting out and refusing orders from Iowa and New York.

They must have more business than they can handle.

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by JohnGalt1

[QUOTE In Dec. The Stronach Group's Scott Daruty told CHRB Santa Anita & GGF wanted to "limit" ADWs, cutting out @BetAmerica & @watchandwager.

That would be like Amazon cutting out and refusing orders from Iowa and New York.

They must have more business than they can handle.[/QUOTE]

They've also left millions on the table by not approving exchange wagering.