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08-07-2015, 01:53 PM
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New retirees....Materiality, Moreno
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...iality-retired
While unraced at 2, TAP kept him going, this, his entire 3 year old year.
He's at the TOP of the Beyers list? Ok... So, how, exactly, will this market him as a stallion in the year of American Pharoah's Triple Crown? Forgive me, but I'm confused.
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"He is a good-looking individual and we expect the breeders will like him as much as we do. His Florida Derby remains the highest Beyer figure for a 3-year old this year."
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"Materiality was a strong, robust horse with a great disposition," said trainer Todd Pletcher. "He had sprinter speed with the ability to carry that speed to 1 1/8 miles."
Stallion arrangements have not yet been finalized.
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08-07-2015, 01:56 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 9,854
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grits
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...iality-retired
While unraced at 2, TAP kept him going, this, his entire 3 year old year.
He's at the TOP of the Beyers list? Ok... So, how, exactly, will this market him as a stallion in the year of American Pharoah's Triple Crown? Forgive me, but I'm confused.
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Another Pletcherization. When does it stop? Holy blank....
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08-07-2015, 02:26 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,132
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cj...thoughts
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08-07-2015, 02:26 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 647
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grits
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...iality-retired
While unraced at 2, TAP kept him going, this, his entire 3 year old year.
He's at the TOP of the Beyers list? Ok... So, how, exactly, will this market him as a stallion in the year of American Pharoah's Triple Crown? Forgive me, but I'm confused.
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Beyer needs to recalculate the Fl Derby # so that they cannot advertise on his stallion page....
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08-07-2015, 05:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Was the Florida Derby was adjusted after the fact from a Beyer of 105 to 110?
If only he hadn't got that darn slow start in the Derby, and then not skipped the Preakness, and then if the Belmont wasn't so darn long, then Materiality would be the Triple Crown winner! Because 110 is bigger than 109, right?
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08-07-2015, 06:11 PM
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Smartass
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 592
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Three Derby runners for Pletcher, one start between them since. Two horses have been retired, the third hasn't had a published workout since late May.
Thank God he didn't wind up with American Pharoah.
Last edited by Irish Boy; 08-07-2015 at 06:15 PM.
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08-08-2015, 11:47 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kash$
cj...thoughts
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Business as usual.
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08-08-2015, 12:29 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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In my opinion the two races of this years TC season which were most often mistakenly assessed were the Florida and Kentucky derbies. Most raved about the former and dismissed the performances in the latter.
Can the shelf life of a Pletcher derby horse get any shorter? debut in Jan, peak in March, then retire in August after a robust five race career.
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08-08-2015, 12:38 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArlJim78
In my opinion the two races of this years TC season which were most often mistakenly assessed were the Florida and Kentucky derbies. Most raved about the former and dismissed the performances in the latter.
Can the shelf life of a Pletcher derby horse get any shorter? debut in Jan, peak in March, then retire in August after a robust five race career.
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I'm happy to say I was on the opposite sides of both
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08-08-2015, 05:20 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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carpe diem worked 4f today at Laurel... yes laurel. Was the colt sold?? Who is the new owner and trainer??
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08-10-2015, 03:04 AM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 10,206
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Moreno retired
From Blood Horse:
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GRADE I WINNER MORENO RETIRED Southern
Equine Stable's homebred grade I winner Moreno
has been retired, trainer Eric Guillot said Aug.
9, a day after he finished eighth in the Whitney
Stakes (gr. I) at Saratoga Race Course
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Although he had a good career, his propensity for running early, with often, not enough raw speed to comfortably command the early lead, has finally left his connections with little choice, regarding the future.
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08-10-2015, 09:59 PM
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First Time Gelding
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 642
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I was a fan of Moreno...always left it all out on the track
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08-11-2015, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
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Unless he had physical problems, I don't see the reason for retiring this horse. He was never really a Grade 1 horse to begin with. He was typically competitive at that level when he caught a biased track or got a comfortable lead. He had the opposite of that in his last 2 starts. IMO, he could have won more races and a lot more money if spotted well.
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08-11-2015, 01:51 PM
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Registered User
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Moreno is now retired per BH !
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08-11-2015, 02:32 PM
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EXCEL with SUPERFECTAS
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Unless he had physical problems, I don't see the reason for retiring this horse. He was never really a Grade 1 horse to begin with. He was typically competitive at that level when he caught a biased track or got a comfortable lead. He had the opposite of that in his last 2 starts. IMO, he could have won more races and a lot more money if spotted well.
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I suspect that the retirement was based on emotions more than anything else. He has 29 lifetime starts and has earned about $3M. He appears to be unable to win at the highest levels anymore. He has a "name" and a reputation in racing, the owner and trainer would much prefer he keep that name and reputation as intact as possible, rather than running him to death in lesser races and tarnishing that name. I don't think he has physical issues that would keep him from racing, but he obviously has lost a few steps, and probably won't ever get them back. His last 2 finishes were dismal, and his last win was in a G2 race, at Charlestown, his lifetime best figure is already well below many of his contemporaries, the writing was on the wall, IMO.
Yeah, you could drop him down in class and maybe get a win or two, but then he's not a G1 horse anymore. Right now he goes out as a G1 contender.
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