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05-19-2018, 01:56 PM
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Ten posts today during working hours. Tell me again how hard you work.
The hours? Try coming to work at midnight on a Monday; then Tuesday off but as like as not you were called in anyway at any time between Midnight and 9 AM. Then on Wednesday and Thursday you start anytime between 2 AM and 6 AM and it is different every week. Same with Friday. And on Friday evening you can never go out because once again you are starting at midnight and you are too tired to go out Saturday evening.
When I was a window clerk I had regular hours but I had to take a two hour lunch which meant that with travel time, I was away from home 11 1/2 hours every day. And I worked six to ten hours of overtime almost every week I was at the post office.
You would not have lasted two days as a letter carrier.
I do agree that you wear big boy pants. Very big boy.
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OH My!...That is a description for working hard You should be embarrassed for that claim. Really...
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05-19-2018, 04:01 PM
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We're talking state pensions - fed don't make the rules.
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Feds do make the rules. SCOTUS in particular. That was settled over two hundred years ago.
Article IV, Section 1 - "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."
SCOTUS could well hold that a state requirement that a pensioner collect his pension within that state violates Article IV, Section 1 since "the Effect thereof" would would be to restrict interstate commerce. Once interstate commerce becomes an issue the Feds make the rules.
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05-19-2018, 04:07 PM
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SCOTUS could rule any stupid think they want to - and have for centuries.
Pensions are not a right.
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05-19-2018, 04:21 PM
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Pensions are not a right.
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Meaning that if you are promised a pension, work for 30 years, and contribute a portion of your earnings to the pension fund that you have no right to that pension when the 30 years are up?
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05-19-2018, 04:26 PM
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SCOTUS could rule any stupid think they want to - and have for centuries.
Pensions are not a right.
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He hasn't a clue about why the full faith and credit clause had been enacted or what type of issues the full faith and credit clause addresses.
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05-19-2018, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
Meaning that if you are promised a pension, work for 30 years, and contribute a portion of your earnings to the pension fund that you have no right to that pension when the 30 years are up?
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Are you serious? Pensions are lost all the time.
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05-19-2018, 05:29 PM
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Are you serious? Pensions are lost all the time.
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Are they? Can you give a few examples?
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05-19-2018, 05:41 PM
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Are they? Can you give a few examples?
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Yes, and I could.
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05-19-2018, 05:54 PM
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Good answer!
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05-19-2018, 09:44 PM
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If the pension is based on money that was taken out of your paycheck, that is your money, the company's. If the pension is all company money (you don't see that much anymore) I can see where you have no claim.
There's a word for companies that take your pension money that came out of your check and left you busted: stealing
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05-19-2018, 11:09 PM
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That word also applies to to states that promise a pension then have no money to pay so they TAX people who had no pension promises in the first place.
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05-19-2018, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Yes, and I could.
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What are the odds that you won't? 2/5?
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05-19-2018, 11:31 PM
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What are the odds that you won't? 2/5?
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What are the odds you have no clue about the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution? 1/5? You asked if I could and I answered you. Did you mean to ask something other than you actually asked? If you did, don't hold me responsible for your mistake.
As a start, you may want to research the federal government automobile bailout and Delphi auto parts.
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05-19-2018, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing
If the pension is based on money that was taken out of your paycheck, that is your money, the company's. If the pension is all company money (you don't see that much anymore) I can see where you have no claim.
There's a word for companies that take your pension money that came out of your check and left you busted: stealing
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Do all companies stay in business forever or do they sometimes go out of business? Do companies restructure?
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05-20-2018, 03:29 AM
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What are the odds you have no clue about the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution?
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What odds would you give that if the State of Illinois were to implement the 75% confiscation plan proposed by Boris that (1) a lawsuit would be filed based on the arguments that I outlined and (2) the plaintiffs would prevail?
What is your interpretation of Article IV, Section 1? Was not said Section the basis for the SCOTUS decision regarding gay marriage? What if both Illinois and Florida were to implement such a plan? A husband could be required to live in Illinois, or face confiscation of his funds, while his wife was required to live in Florida or face a similar confiscation. A central tenet of marriage is that husband and wife live together but this would not be possible under the above scenario. So now we have lawsuits against both Illinois and Florida. How do you think SCOTUS would rule on that one? Do you think SCOTUS would reverse their position on gay marriage? What about Loving vs. North Carolina?
What about the right to privacy? My pension check is deposited directly in a bank that does business nation wide. Does the State of Illinois have a right to a copy of my bank statement in order to insure that I spend the money in-state? If so then I could not buy stuff on the internet. Interstate commerce once again enters the picture.
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