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10-05-2023, 01:35 PM
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Extending the argument to people beyond traditional handicapping writers, I could make the case that Howard Marks, Warren Buffett, Benjamin Graham, James Grant and others in the financial market sphere have molded my thought processes regarding thoroughbreds.
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10-05-2023, 03:07 PM
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Buckle Up
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Originally Posted by xtb
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Look what you've done....Formula restarts a 19 year old thread...Only at PA...
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10-05-2023, 04:05 PM
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I'd say selecting, Taulbot, Sartin.
Money MGT: Tom Elway
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10-05-2023, 06:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbenny
Extending the argument to people beyond traditional handicapping writers, I could make the case that Howard Marks, Warren Buffett, Benjamin Graham, James Grant and others in the financial market sphere have molded my thought processes regarding thoroughbreds.
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Speaking of Buffett, quite a few comments about him handicapping horses when he was a kid:
https://www.hvst.com/posts/drf-legen...tting-orgTvR5m
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10-05-2023, 07:10 PM
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Dr. William Quirin, Howard Sartin and a real helpful thanks goes to Dave Schwartz, who's software and educational videos, made me a far more regular winner, often BIG time with supers.
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"If this world is all about winners, what's for the losers?" Jr. Bonner: "Well somebody's got to hold the horses Ace."
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10-05-2023, 07:12 PM
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velocitician
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Quote:
Originally Posted by myohmyjustify
Malcolm Gladwell
Frank Cotolo
Mark Cramer
John Templeton
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Bravo, I have read ALL his works, some twice and have an audio book of BLINK in the car..
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10-05-2023, 07:47 PM
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They mention Michael Mauboussin in that link and I exchanged emails with him on this very subject. I always thought there were strong parallels between the two and fully recognize that pari-mutuel wagering is much higher in terms of the house take but the elegance, pooling and challenges of horse racing always attracted me vs. any kind of casino game. I do trade equities and follow the financial markets along with thoroughbred racing to a large extent as the result of befriending an individual who managed a large fortune 500 retirement plan well before the world of investing today and he dated back to the days of going to Bowie and Aqueduct on buses in the 1960s.
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10-05-2023, 11:14 PM
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what an easy game.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ReplayRandall
Look what you've done....Formula restarts a 19 year old thread...Only at PA...
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lol.. I was surprised when I saw the post by Game Theory. I was in the wrong pew.
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10-06-2023, 02:19 AM
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Dr Bill Quirin, Thoroughbred Handicapping state of the art
Andrew Beyer, Picking Winners.
James Quinn, The Complete Handicapper
Steve Klein, The Power of Early Speed.
Nick Borg, Off the Charts
Nick Mordin, Mordin on Time
Let Ragozian, The Odds Must Be Crazy ( reading
form patterns)
Michael Pizzola, Handicapping Magic, (I like the form cycle window process).
Steve Davidowitz, Betting Thoroughbreds
Brad Free, Handicapping 101
Dave Lifting, Expert Handicapping
Mike Helm, Exploring Pedigree
Mark Cramer, Kinky Handicapping
William L. Scott, Total Victory at the track
Barry Meadow, Money Secrets at the Racetrack
And last but not least, a book somewhat dated but never the less started my journey into Handicapping thoroughbreds,
Tom Ainslie, Ainslie's complete guide to thoroughbred racing
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10-06-2023, 06:21 AM
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Kuck -------- Where Are You -- John Del Ricco
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10-06-2023, 09:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tucker
Kuck -------- Where Are You -- John Del Ricco
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He passed decades ago.
Was a fine man.
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10-06-2023, 10:44 AM
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Mainly Ainslie. I was 13 with a rabid hunger to become a handicapper and his comprehensive, well-rounded approach gave me a foundation that has not cracked to this day. His simplified observations about running style and trainer -think proved particularly instructive. As a bonus, Ainslie's superior writing skills and selectively employed sense of drama could transform mid-level claiming races into cataclysmic events: "Chances were good she would get nothing in the Bowie mud".....Now THAT'S the type of talk that made a 7th grader outright gut-sick at the thought of ever missing ANY horserace.
Beyond Ainslie, I have probably read 300 books on handicapping (I'm guessing that's a low(ish) total here on Pace..lol), but most of my knowledge came via hard-knocks , personal epiphanies..and , of course, other horseplayers.
There really is no place like Pace Advantage.
Last edited by mountainman; 10-06-2023 at 10:50 AM.
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10-07-2023, 05:56 AM
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Steven Davidowitz. First book I bought on handicapping, and he basically takes a comprehensive approach. Could (and maybe should) have stopped buying any more books after that.
Beyer's books were a lot of entertainment as well as effective methods.
Honorable Mention to Bonnie Parker for how horses look prior to the race.
I've got Kuck's book (and many others), but I don't for sure if I've even read it - didn't realize his fan base was so solid, at least in this thread. Surprised Cramer doesn't get more mentions, though his books do seem harder to find.
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10-07-2023, 03:04 PM
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Andy Beyer. First book I purchased on the subject at the ripe age of 13. Made impression there was logic in the game. Beyer's THE WINNING HORSEPLAYER was most influential on my game. Thanks to Beyer mentioning Stave Davidowitz.
Steve Davidowitz. Trainers and key race. In regards to key race not simply two plus wins. But his approach of noting where and what winners were doing in previous starts.
Randolph Reynolds. Early speed. Surprise early speed. Improvement room.
Mark Cramer. Non-figure approach.
Jim Quinn. HANDICAPPERS CONDITION BOOK. His best work hands down.
Bill Quirin. Race shapes and Speed Points (Honorable mention to the Dave Schwartz Early Speed video that expanded on QSP.)
Barry Meadow. MONEY SECRET AT THE RACES.
Gordon Jones. SMART MONEY.
Dave Schwartz. HMI
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10-10-2023, 10:38 AM
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Beyer and Cramer. Picking Winners was the life changer. When Racing Times/DRF started publishing Beyer figs that gig ended.
Thoroughbred Cycles changed for good the way I look at a horse's form.
Many others -- even if it's a book I don't care for, if there is one thing I can glean from it I consider it useful.
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