Breeder's Cup 2019

[DGroundhog]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Why? Your average Californian is either (1) living in the LA or Bay Are, supports animal rights, and thinks we are barbaric, or (2) not living near a racetrack. Nor is there any support among the general public for the breeding and racing industry- that's entirely confined to legislators in Sacramento.

If an initiative were held tomorrow, we'd lose 60-40 or worse.

That is because all anybody in the industry does is say they aren't evil horse killers. If you get accused of something like abusing animals it's not enough to say 'No, I don't'.

I never hear people defend the industry by pointing out what would happen if racing were banned and how many horses would be killed as a result. It will expand into all horse related events. Eventually any use of a horse in modern society will be banned and horses will pretty much cease to exist thanks to these do gooders who love horses so much they want to 'save' them.

The industry should focus their messaging on making things safer and expanding uses for horses in modern society to show they are the ones who really care about the horses.

[Robert Fischer]

Excellent Breeders Cup this year.

I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.

[burnsy]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Excellent Breeders Cup this year.

I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.

Yeah, it was good. Right up to the last 30 seconds at least. This is what people don’t get and why it should of been moved. The heat is on , the spotlight is on. It doesn’t matter if you change the surface , do your little public service announcements and all the other nonsense. Too many horses have died. Now each fatality is a media event. And anyone that thinks zero horses will get hurt in the future is a fool. That’s never gonna happen. They should of closed in the spring and said anything. “ we are resurfacing the track and extending safety procedures. “ Temporarily closed. Then moved this thing to another track. People that are not street smart , don’t get this move. People that deal in things they don’t want public get it loud and clear. The heats on, take cover. You get out of the daylight until things cool off. By being stubborn and thinking you are Teflon , it’s a snowball rolling down hill. Each incident is magnified more than the last. The media and politicians would grow tired and move on if it subsided for a while. The public is fickle they move from event to event and forget what was reported a month ago If they would of distanced themselves from that track . Some of this they practically asked for.

Then there are clowns still crying about PETA.! Lol. That’s the last of horse racing’s concerns when the governor and state legislature are grousing about you. When they feel it’s in their favor to come after you. Good luck with that. Horse racing will be painted the child of Satan ...... lol..... and it’s worse out there then it is in Ny. The way you get out of the spotlight is the occurrences subsiding. The only way you could achieve this is to not race or train for a while at all. Because then no horses will get hurt and that’s not a “story”. I’m not going to say racing is done there like some have. But man , they are pushing the envelope to the brink. Hopefully, the wrong people won’t be bitching tonight and tomorrow. Cause that’s when the politicians move, Sunday night and Monday. PETA is the least worry they have at this point. You got power and public opinion up your ass now.

[Tom]

I've seen better days at Finger Lakes.

I totally gave up playing the dirt, and settled for a couple for crappy turf races.

I was underwhelmed at the bevy of so-called quality horses who didn't work as hard as I did running to the fridge for more beers.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by burnsy

Yeah, it was good. Right up to the last 30 seconds at least.

The last 30 seconds were the best part.

McKinzie had the place locked up. Higher Power was clear into 3rd.


Later, on the internet, I read that Mongolian Groom had suffered a catastrophic breakdown. That doesn't affect my interpretation of the event. I never like a horse to die, but I fully understand that it is a part of the reality.

Originally Posted by burnsy

Yeah, it was good. Right up to the last 30 seconds at least. This is what people don’t get and why it should of been moved. The heat is on , the spotlight is on. It doesn’t matter if you change the surface , do your little public service announcements and all the other nonsense. Too many horses have died. Now each fatality is a media event. And anyone that thinks zero horses will get hurt in the future is a fool. That’s never gonna happen. They should of closed in the spring and said anything. “ we are resurfacing the track and extending safety procedures. “ Temporarily closed. Then moved this thing to another track. People that are not street smart , don’t get this move. People that deal in things they don’t want public get it loud and clear. The heats on, take cover. You get out of the daylight until things cool off. By being stubborn and thinking you are Teflon , it’s a snowball rolling down hill. Each incident is magnified more than the last. The media and politicians would grow tired and move on if it subsided for a while. The public is fickle they move from event to event and forget what was reported a month ago If they would of distanced themselves from that track . Some of this they practically asked for.

Then there are clowns still crying about PETA.! Lol. That’s the last of horse racing’s concerns when the governor and state legislature are grousing about you. When they feel it’s in their favor to come after you. Good luck with that. Horse racing will be painted the child of Satan ...... lol..... and it’s worse out there then it is in Ny. The way you get out of the spotlight is the occurrences subsiding. The only way you could achieve this is to not race or train for a while at all. Because then no horses will get hurt and that’s not a “story”. I’m not going to say racing is done there like some have. But man , they are pushing the envelope to the brink. Hopefully, the wrong people won’t be bitching tonight and tomorrow. Cause that’s when the politicians move, Sunday night and Monday. PETA is the least worry they have at this point. You got power and public opinion up your ass now.

I'll be honest, this was a lot of reading to digest.

I see your point about changing venues, and laying low...
Maybe that would be a good move. Maybe not. I honestly haven't thought through every permutation, and even if I did, I lack the competence in this matter to form a rational opinion based on critical thinking.

It doesn't take a genius to project 50 years forward, to more of a niche, luxury, for a community of owners than it already is.

[098poi]

I don't know if this was posted somewhere else. From Friday but a feel good video.

YouTube

[AMPHAR]

I enjoyed Breeders Cup this year. The overall quality of the participants may be viewed as down but the Saturday races were fun to handicap.

I hope key 3 year olds return to race at 4. Looking forward to some Pegasus hype.

I made a mistake in downgrading my top choices in favor of track bias. Still fun and fun enjoyable.

[Afleet]

I couldn't throw it in the ocean. Bellafina losing really hurt; I all'd the race before and after her race in the pick 3 and caught longshots in both. Billy Batts getting run down cost me an $800 double. Loved Mount Everest-left at the gate. Diamond oops almost fell out of the gate. Thought Hey Gaman was lone speed in the mile and El Tormenta dueled him into the ground while 5 lengths clear of the 3rd place horse down the backstretch with 6F call in 1:09.27. Not sure why Da Silva thought he could win that way-he successfully eliminated his horse and Hey Gaman

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by Tom

I've seen better days at Finger Lakes.

I totally gave up playing the dirt, and settled for a couple for crappy turf races.

I was underwhelmed at the bevy of so-called quality horses who didn't work as hard as I did running to the fridge for more beers.

You weren't on the edge of your seat for the juvenile turf sprint?

[GMB@BP]

A lot of discussion today about the track, read Shug's comments for example. I tend to agree with him that if this is the way to fix racing's injury problems its not the way to go. Clearly created a track that was much different than a normal racing surface.

You were going to have some horses take to it and some that just didnt.

That being said I just did a quick look through and if you took the top figure horse from the last two races of a horses PP, if the distance was the same or near the same, from Timeform you had like 7/14 winners with no additional handicapping. So it was pretty formful.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by burnsy

Yeah, it was good. Right up to the last 30 seconds at least. This is what people don’t get and why it should of been moved. The heat is on , the spotlight is on. It doesn’t matter if you change the surface , do your little public service announcements and all the other nonsense. Too many horses have died. Now each fatality is a media event. And anyone that thinks zero horses will get hurt in the future is a fool. That’s never gonna happen. They should of closed in the spring and said anything. “ we are resurfacing the track and extending safety procedures. “ Temporarily closed. Then moved this thing to another track. People that are not street smart , don’t get this move. People that deal in things they don’t want public get it loud and clear. The heats on, take cover. You get out of the daylight until things cool off. By being stubborn and thinking you are Teflon , it’s a snowball rolling down hill. Each incident is magnified more than the last. The media and politicians would grow tired and move on if it subsided for a while. The public is fickle they move from event to event and forget what was reported a month ago If they would of distanced themselves from that track . Some of this they practically asked for.

Then there are clowns still crying about PETA.! Lol. That’s the last of horse racing’s concerns when the governor and state legislature are grousing about you. When they feel it’s in their favor to come after you. Good luck with that. Horse racing will be painted the child of Satan ...... lol..... and it’s worse out there then it is in Ny. The way you get out of the spotlight is the occurrences subsiding. The only way you could achieve this is to not race or train for a while at all. Because then no horses will get hurt and that’s not a “story”. I’m not going to say racing is done there like some have. But man , they are pushing the envelope to the brink. Hopefully, the wrong people won’t be bitching tonight and tomorrow. Cause that’s when the politicians move, Sunday night and Monday. PETA is the least worry they have at this point. You got power and public opinion up your ass now.

Good post, Burnsy.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Tom

I've seen better days at Finger Lakes.

I totally gave up playing the dirt, and settled for a couple for crappy turf races.

I was underwhelmed at the bevy of so-called quality horses who didn't work as hard as I did running to the fridge for more beers.

Agreed. If any horse was too far off the pace, they couldn’t make it up, with all staggering down the stretch. I appreciate the attempt to make it safer, but the result was whack.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Afleet

You weren't on the edge of your seat for the juvenile turf sprint?

They had to use a defibrillator on after the race.


To wake me up.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Agreed. If any horse was too far off the pace, they couldn’t make it up, with all staggering down the stretch. I appreciate the attempt to make it safer, but the result was whack.

Not to HSH's evaluations

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Excellent Breeders Cup this year.

I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did.

SATURDAY was pace-wise logical, the babies (Friday) were not. Racing was fun true