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View Poll Results: Do you think Maximum Security should have been disqualified in the derby?
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05-09-2019, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I missed that video too. Is there a link?
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It was part of the NBC coverage. She was very stern on this. It was referenced later during the broadcast as being very strict. The jocks all applauded her too.
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05-09-2019, 11:27 AM
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#152
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Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF
Especially when he was unimpeded for the entire race and still couldn't get the job done.
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Ch was the first horse who didn't foul. That's the rule. One could say that Game Winner was best because he lost 10 lengths and only got beat by 3 3/4. The winner is not the same as the best. The best horse doesn't always win the Derby for a number of reasons.
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05-09-2019, 11:30 AM
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#153
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Originally Posted by bobphilo
The winner is not the same as the best. The best horse doesn't always win the Derby for a number of reasons.
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This Derby just proved it.
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05-09-2019, 12:06 PM
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#154
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
People need to stop saying this. Maximum Security veered into War of Will's path three times. First, he shut him off on the rail. It wasn't a foul, but War of Will then moved outside. Then he veered into War of Will's path when War of Will was behind and outside. Again, not a foul, but it shows the intent here.
Finally, AFTER War of Will took at TOTALLY LEGITIMATE POSITION TO THE OUTSIDE OF MAXIMUM SECURITY SEEKING TO PASS HIM, Maximum Security fouled him. It was NOT CAUSED BY WAR OF WILL. WAR OF WILL WAS DOING WHAT EVERY HORSE IN A RACE HAS THE RIGHT TO TRY TO DO, WHICH IS PASS THE LEADER.
The view of the Maximum Security partisans really has devolved into "that other horse is at fault because he had the gall to try to pass the tiring leader". Nope. You know what the  was required to do? Let War of Will attempt to pass him on the outside. |
Nope. I’m perfectly fine with the  trying to pass. That situation is common in the derby.
To justify a stolen Derby which is all that continues to happen in these threads “safety” and “rules” have been referenced to justify it.
made an aggressive move moving into the ass end of the . That’s clear as day. So if “safety” is an ultimate consideration it has to be noted and the veering was at the same time as a lead change.
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05-09-2019, 01:49 PM
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#155
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I, for one, find it fascinating that
a group of people who are far above average
in their understanding of the intricacies of Thoroughbred Racing
are perfectly divided 173-173
on the question of whether or not the stewards were right
to disqualify Maximum Security in the Kentucky Derby.
Is there a right answer to that question?
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05-09-2019, 01:54 PM
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#156
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Originally Posted by Burls
I, for one, find it fascinating that
a group of people who are far above average
in their understanding of the intricacies of Thoroughbred Racing
are perfectly divided 173-173
on the question of whether or not the stewards were right
to disqualify Maximum Security in the Kentucky Derby.
Is there a right answer to that question?
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Sure there is an answer to that question. If a group of highly intelligent individuals (such as us) is this equally divided on the DQ question...then the original finish should have obviously been allowed to stand. 
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05-09-2019, 01:57 PM
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#157
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Sure there is an answer to that question. If a group of highly intelligent individuals (such as us) is this equally divided on the DQ question...then the original finish should have obviously been allowed to stand. |
Of course there's an answer.
But is there a RIGHT answer?
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05-09-2019, 02:00 PM
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#158
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Originally Posted by AMPHAR
Nope. I’m perfectly fine with the trying to pass. That situation is common in the derby.
To justify a stolen Derby which is all that continues to happen in these threads “safety” and “rules” have been referenced to justify it.
made an aggressive move moving into the ass end of the . That’s clear as day. So if “safety” is an ultimate consideration it has to be noted and the veering was at the same time as a lead change. |
He did not move into MS's ass. That is a false statement. He to MS's right and then MS moved several paths over to wipe him and LRT out.
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05-09-2019, 02:46 PM
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#159
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Originally Posted by bobphilo
It was part of the NBC coverage. She was very stern on this. It was referenced later during the broadcast as being very strict. The jocks all applauded her too.
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So stern ....... she saw nothing. That’s her story and she’s sticking to it. Well, we don’t really know.... until she’s under oath.
As to whose best. How many times does MS have to crush the comp? People are still stuck on the claimers thing . It came out that the first jock that rode him came back and told the connections, “ you really under estimated the ability of this horse.” He then was pulled from the Keeneland winter that I posted in his thread. People made fun of the pace at FLA. That was garbage. He got a mile in 136.1, fourth quarter by my time in 23.1. That’s incredible. Derby fast early, pulling away late. Like the foul mattered. People are still in denial. Even when they’ve seen it multiple times. He’s the best right now.... by quite a margin once OB scratched. He’s the only one I thought was close. Wait til the Belmont, he may be in it from the talk. Good luck trying to catch that.whats the next excuse? Runs too fast? Lol
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05-09-2019, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
He did not move into MS's ass. That is a false statement. He to MS's right and then MS moved several paths over to wipe him and LRT out.
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Maybe, maybe not, but Court said WoW foul him before “the incident”.
https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...m_jockeys_123#
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05-09-2019, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by delsully
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That’s one of the worst problems of the result. The race wasn’t close. And that’s why the derby was called differently. You go through all the big field replays. You will find fouls all over the place . It’s a joke. The a foul is a foul statement is what dreams are made of. Plus, then at least prove it’s intentional. Evidence proves after half the world waited over 20 minutes. They didn’t even bother to ask. Real strict, I have to laugh. To be strict , you had almost half an hour...... and you never said boo until there were claims. Either way this is a blind leading the blind deal. And people are applauding like they are heroes. Why are there people angry? A foul is a foul? GTFOH. You initially saw nothing or knew how these were called. Save my face...... lol
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05-09-2019, 03:26 PM
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#162
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
He did not move into MS's ass. That is a false statement. He to MS's right and then MS moved several paths over to wipe him and LRT out.
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Sure
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05-09-2019, 03:35 PM
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#163
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Originally Posted by delsully
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That is actually corroboration that WOW moved out.
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05-09-2019, 03:41 PM
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#164
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Originally Posted by AMPHAR
Sure
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Don’t even bother. Another dreamer. A few frames before WOW gets cutoff he’s on the rail, comes out , herds several horses to get the position where he does get cut. But , of course, half of these people don’t see that. How? I don’t know, but it’s right there on the tape. They got stills and segments of MS. But no one shows right before it happened. WOW pretty much bullied the crease to get that spot. It’s hilarious , only one horses foul counts in 145 years. This is one of the claims in the lawsuit. And it’s there to be seen .
They won’t win. But racing will get dragged in the mud again
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05-09-2019, 03:48 PM
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#165
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Originally Posted by burnsy
Don’t even bother. Another dreamer. A few frames before WOW gets cutoff he’s on the rail, comes out , herds several horses to get the position where he does get cut. But , of course, half of these people don’t see that. How? I don’t know, but it’s right there on the tape. They got stills and segments of MS. But no one shows right before it happened. WOW pretty much bullied the crease to get that spot. It’s hilarious , only one horses foul counts in 145 years. This is one of the claims in the lawsuit. And it’s there to be seen .
They won’t win. But racing will get dragged in the mud again
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That argument will get you a DQ of War of Will. But it doesn't exonerate MS.
Watch this, 15 seconds in.
WOW is on the path of water on the track the entire time. MS starts out CLEARLY a lane to his left. WOW is thus not running up on his heels.
The entire time WOW stays in his lane, while MS moves in front of him and fouls him.
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