Special counsel Robert Mueller

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

As attested to, by now o[B]ver 800 former federal prosecutors.

So they were there? They saw him obstruct?

Wow! This is exciting news! Why aren't the networks picking up on this?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Hillary out of office for years , exonerated for all repug absurd scandals, never leaves PA OT minds.

Excuse me but Chumpy is the one currently lying though his teeth, and covering it up big time.

He called it absurd. That's all you need to know.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Barr is not part of any ongoing investigation. He is only covering up what Mueller reported by twisting it's meaning.

Didn't Barr release the full report? Can you see how your words sound crazy to a normal person given that fact?

You should take a break from this place...for your own well being.

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by fast4522

I'm not that clever MargieRose, check this out, hmmm maybe don't?

https://www.searchindia.com/2018/11/...rs-of-america/

Yeah, but the author missed Biden...you got that one.

[Tom]

Burls must be one of Canada's FROZEN Fathers, seeing how he knows so much about it all (NOT!)

[Burls]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

What "vital" information is Barr withholding?

Somewhat of a red herring.
The point of the post was to establish that SMTW's claim that:
Congress has no authority to investigate and prosecute crimes.
is false.
Article II, Section 4 makes that clear.

As to Barr's behavior:
Barr has, on more than one occasion, made misleading comments
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr ignored the subpoena from the House to testify
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr is refusing to release an unreacted Mueller Report to the House Judiciary Committee
so that they can most effectively carry out their Article II, Section 4 mandate.

Therefore, he is obstructing their Constitutionally-mandated investigation.
The onus is not on the House Judiciary Committee to specify
the vital nature of any information that Barr is withholding.
The House Judiciary Committee is entitled to demand
the fully unreacted Mueller Report and fully cooperative testimony from Barr
on the basis that some of that might be vital.

There is no "Executive Privilege" to withhold information from the House that is potentially relevant to their consideration of whether or not there are sufficient grounds to impeach that executive.

I repeat.

Do you even know your own laws?

[Burls]

Originally Posted by Tom

Burls must be one of Canada's FROZEN Fathers, seeing how he knows so much about it all (NOT!)

Tom clearly doesn't.
Nor does he care.
Pretty pathetic, I'd say.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Burls

Tom clearly doesn't.
Nor does he care.
Pretty pathetic, I'd say.

Yeah, old Burls has been a constitutional scholar since Ike.
Icicle Ike!

[MargieRose]

Originally Posted by Burls

Somewhat of a red herring.
The point of the post was to establish that SMTW's claim that:
Congress has no authority to investigate and prosecute crimes.
is false.
Article II, Section 4 makes that clear.

As to Barr's behavior:
Barr has, on more than one occasion, made misleading comments
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr ignored the subpoena from the House to testify
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr is refusing to release an unreacted Mueller Report to the House Judiciary Committee
so that they can most effectively carry out their Article II, Section 4 mandate.

Therefore, he is obstructing their Constitutionally-mandated investigation.
The onus is not on the House Judiciary Committee to specify
the vital nature of any information that Barr is withholding.
The House Judiciary Committee is entitled to demand
the fully unreacted Mueller Report and fully cooperative testimony from Barr
on the basis that some of that might be vital.

There is no "Executive Privilege" to withhold information from the House that is potentially relevant to their consideration of whether or not there are sufficient grounds to impeach that executive.

I repeat.

Do you even know your own laws?

Do YOU realize that Grand Jury testimony can not be released without a court order?? Grand Jury testimony that may or may not contain so-called vital information. Do YOU not understand that AG Barr has full authority and discretion to decide what is legally able to be released and can release it or not?

The memo went out the day this president was elected...obstruct, interfere, oppose, threaten anything and everything for as long as this man is in office. The Demos will not prevail!

PS: No need to be nasty!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Authority comes from the Constitution. We have three co-equal government branches, no branch is superior to the other.

Each branch has its own authority and other branches cannot interfere with that specific authority.

The DoJ under the executive branch has the authority to investigate and prosecute crimes. Congress has no authority to investigate and prosecute crimes.

You seem to my position as partisan, it is not. My position is about the proper roles of each branch of government and the correct interpretation of laws.

I just told you the esteemed legal expert who wrote the rules for the special prosecutor agrees with Mueller that it is to be judged by congress and not an authoritative usurper of an attorney general.

He specifically wrote the rules foreseeing that possible abuse, and things Barr is abusing.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

I just told you the esteemed legal expert who wrote the rules for the special prosecutor agrees with Mueller that it is to be judged by congress and not an authoritative usurper of an attorney general.

He specifically wrote the rules foreseeing that possible abuse, and things Barr is abusing.

I understand what he said, but Congress does not have the power to investigate crimes or prosecute. Congress has the power to impeach. So why isn't Congress starting the impeachment process. If congress believes Trump obstructed justice, why is there no impeachment hearing.

Your esteemed legal expert is saying to Congress to use the information in the report to impeach. The question is why is stopping congress from impeaching Trump.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Burls

Somewhat of a red herring.
The point of the post was to establish that SMTW's claim that:
Congress has no authority to investigate and prosecute crimes.
is false.
Article II, Section 4 makes that clear.

As to Barr's behavior:
Barr has, on more than one occasion, made misleading comments
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr ignored the subpoena from the House to testify
regarding the contents of the Mueller Report.
Barr is refusing to release an unreacted Mueller Report to the House Judiciary Committee
so that they can most effectively carry out their Article II, Section 4 mandate.

Therefore, he is obstructing their Constitutionally-mandated investigation.
The onus is not on the House Judiciary Committee to specify
the vital nature of any information that Barr is withholding.
The House Judiciary Committee is entitled to demand
the fully unreacted Mueller Report and fully cooperative testimony from Barr
on the basis that some of that might be vital.

There is no "Executive Privilege" to withhold information from the House that is potentially relevant to their consideration of whether or not there are sufficient grounds to impeach that executive.

I repeat.

Do you even know your own laws?

Dear nosy neighbor,


Everything you say about Barr, regarding the Mueller report, is your opinion and not facts. Yes, Barr did not testify due to executive privilege. At least you got one fact right. Under U.S. law does the President have executive privilege?

Tell is was this this House Judiciary Committee hearing an impeachment hearing?

I know the laws of my country and it is obvious you don't. Yet you want to insert yourself in a political situation, in a foreign sovereign country. Affairs which are none of your business.

FYI, our foreign interloper, impeachment is not a criminal process.

Why do nosy neighbors believe they know more about a domestic arrangement than the actual residents?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Do YOU realize that Grand Jury testimony can not be released without a court order?? Grand Jury testimony that may or may not contain so-called vital information. Do YOU not understand that AG Barr has full authority and discretion to decide what is legally able to be released and can release it or not?

The memo went out the day this president was elected...obstruct, interfere, oppose, threaten anything and everything for as long as this man is in office. The Demos will not prevail!

PS: No need to be nasty!

Obviously he doesn't care. He has ignored every explanation and now proclaims from his high perch over looking our house that we do not know our own laws.

He thinks we need him to explain our laws to us

The actions of a busy body know-it-all, who has no legitimate reason to stick his nose in our business.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

So they were there? They saw him obstruct?

Wow! This is exciting news! Why aren't the networks picking up on this?

We are speaking of professionals reading the report of another professional who conducted interviews and collected info.

What exactly did you expect. Nixon style tapes.?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

He called it absurd. That's all you need to know.

I called the absurd absurd. Not one indictment from Benghazi which went on twice as long as the Mueller report.