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05-01-2019, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Ahh there is the truth, the political process. The criminal process should not be used in the political process.
In the criminal process the facts and evidence has run its course, the DoJ made a prosecutorial decision that the President did not obstruct justice. Case closed.
BTW per your layiman remark, Prof. Desrshowitz, an esteemed legal scholar, could find no differences between the actual report and AG Barr's summary.
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Mueller is refusing to say if a crime was committed due to OLC.
Barr rejects OLC and says, "Yep, I determined no crime."
See the difference?
Esteemed legal scholars should... 
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05-01-2019, 09:22 PM
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#482
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Quintessential guru
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Mueller is refusing to say if a crime was committed due to OLC.
Barr rejects OLC and says, "Yep, I determined no crime."
See the difference?
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You had it correct the in your previous posts, it is political. That is why Mueller is a political hack, he tried to politicize a criminal investigation, which did not yield clear evidence that the President committed a crime.
Well Mueller's bosses, Barr and Rosenstein who are the AG and DAG say the President did not commit a crime and guess who wins in the criminal process.
I'll give you a hint not the political hack, who politicized a criminalized investigation.
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05-01-2019, 09:27 PM
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#483
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
You had it correct the in your previous posts, it is political. That is why Mueller is a political hack, he tried to politicize a criminal investigation, which did not yield clear evidence that the President committed a crime.
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Accusing Mueller of being a political hack after watching Barr's actions of late is quite humorous to me...
He certainly could be... but at the least... that shoe fits on the other foot too.
Keep repeating yourself, that's how denial works...
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05-01-2019, 09:31 PM
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#484
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Accusing Mueller of being a political hack after watching Barr's actions of late is quite humorous to me...
He certainly could be... but at the least... that shoe fits on the other foot too.
Keep repeating yourself, that's how denial works...
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He is an incompetent political hack, that withholds exculpatory evidence, tries to keep innocent people in prison, F****ed up the anthrax investigation, used very questionable judgment in approving an uranium sale to Russia and has had his loony criminal interpretations overturned by the Supreme Court.
Barr is a professional.
Again, the OLC opinion does not preclude Mueller or any other appointed DoJ investigator/prosecutor from making a finding of a criminal act had been committed.
Last edited by Show Me the Wire; 05-01-2019 at 09:40 PM.
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05-01-2019, 09:44 PM
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#485
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this whole thread and posters there-in can be explained by the following video...
now go ahead and shoot the messenger....oh...and sorry for the interruption...
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05-01-2019, 09:44 PM
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#486
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The Voice of Reason!
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Mueller submitted his report.
NOTHING he has to say now matters.
IT is NOT his investigation anymore - it is OVER.
NO COLLUSION.
NO CRIME.
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05-01-2019, 09:55 PM
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#487
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Originally Posted by Tom
Mueller submitted his report.
NOTHING he has to say now matters.
IT is NOT his investigation anymore - it is OVER.
NO COLLUSION.
NO CRIME.
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Eloquently stated 
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05-01-2019, 10:12 PM
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#488
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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So when are they going to bring the President in for questioning and when is his arraignment? Has the House impeached him yet based on Mueller's findings? When is the Senate going to convict?
Should be a lock by now, right? You read the report. Fill in the blanks above.
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05-01-2019, 10:17 PM
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#489
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
More removing all doubt...
Here ya go dumb dumb...
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This is a whole bunch of nothing. I guarantee you everything you just posted in that screenshot has happened in a prior election to 2016. Why do you think they decided to take it seriously this time around?
Because she wasn't supposed to lose.
When you accept this brilliant little sentence, everything falls into place.
She wasn't supposed to lose. It means EVERYTHING to what has happened since. No tin foil hat needed. Just common sense logic.
Why make a mountain out of a molehill when it's one of many molehills that have grown during presidential election cycles going back to Reagan and beyond?
Because she wasn't supposed to lose.
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05-01-2019, 10:35 PM
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#490
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Mueller submitted his report.
NOTHING he has to say now matters.
IT is NOT his investigation anymore - it is OVER.
NO COLLUSION.
NO CRIME.
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If Dumpy does win in 2020, you can rest assured he will be charged by the new DOJ with the Mueller Report as the historical archive that convicts him.
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05-01-2019, 10:40 PM
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#491
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Originally Posted by Burls
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Isn't your PM Rainbow Sprinkle Socks in trouble for obstructing justice?
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05-01-2019, 10:45 PM
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#492
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
AG Barr put it succinctly today. " If Mueller couldn't make a prosecutorial decision on obstruction, he should have not investigated."
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I think we should get a refund on his pay.
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05-01-2019, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I just did!
So you do want me to unpack this for you...? okay...
1)
Normally a prosecutorial decision is based on a up-down decision. However, due to OLC's opinion that you cannot indict a sitting President they refused to do so. If they were to do so[indict] it would undermine the President's ability to govern and also preempt already existing paths to presidential misconduct <read as impeachment... didn't screenshot it but its later in the summary>.
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In addition to (1) a sitting President cannot be prosecuted per OLC opinion.
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Since the President cannot be prosecuted and be granted a speedy trial the report determined to not frame judgement. It is a matter of fairness to a sitting President.
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There I broke down what I already posted because you're either lazy or don't understand... its a far cry from the quoted text from the Barr letter above.
Barr said that the decision he made... which he isn't requested or required to do... is void of Presidential powers... whereas Mueller's WHOLE argument for his declination is Presidential Powers.
Thanks for playing!
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Mueller Stated that regardless of the OLC's opinion. HE FOUND NO CHARGEABLE OFFENSE... Oh they tried and tried but none found ZIP to recommend prosecution... his BS about exoneration was theatrical staging... a bone for those expecting red meat. His letter to Barr was complaining about how the press was painting him... NOT BARR'S treatment of his opuses bottom line.
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05-01-2019, 10:53 PM
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#494
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Mueller Stated that regardless of the OLC's opinion. HE FOUND NO CHARGEABLE OFFENSE...
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He did not say that. Barr did.
Please put up that section of the report if it exists... (it doesn't).
Here is a searchable link for you to help out...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-document.html
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05-01-2019, 11:43 PM
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#495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Normally a prosecutorial decision is based on a up-down decision. However, due to OLC's opinion that you cannot indict a sitting President they refused to do so. If they were to do so[indict] it would undermine the President's ability to govern and also preempt already existing paths to presidential misconduct <read as impeachment... didn't screenshot it but its later in the summary>.
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On the face of it, the above is comical to the max.
Undermine his ability to govern? That's been the GOAL FROM DAY ONE!
That certainly isn't what is preventing them from doing so. What is preventing them from doing so is lack of evidence and what would amount to a slam dunk LOSS in court. When prosecutors know they don't have a case, they don't indict. And that's what we have here. No case. No collusion. No obstruction.
I'm starting to wonder who, exactly, is living in the echo chamber.
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