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10-24-2017, 12:07 PM
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Big Breakthrough-Transparent Solar Panels
A new generation of see-through solar cell technology could soon be used to harvest the massive energy potential of building and car windows, cell phones as well as other objects with a transparent surface.
The system uses materials to pick up ultraviolet and near infrared wavelengths, which are guided to the edge of the surface they are on for it to be converted into electricity by thin strips of photovoltaic solar cells.
http://www.newsweek.com/fossil-fuels...ows-msu-691308
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10-24-2017, 01:09 PM
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problem with solar is it takes lots of petroleum to build it. and you have major toxic elements to deal with when they are done.
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10-25-2017, 04:22 AM
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Cost per therm vs. conventional and storage, is and has been the main problems for renewable energy. I enjoyed where the article came to the big if on storage. Sound like someone needs a new grant.
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10-25-2017, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ReplayRandall
A new generation of see-through solar cell technology could soon be used to harvest the massive energy potential of building and car windows, cell phones as well as other objects with a transparent surface.
The system uses materials to pick up ultraviolet and near infrared wavelengths, which are guided to the edge of the surface they are on for it to be converted into electricity by thin strips of photovoltaic solar cells.
http://www.newsweek.com/fossil-fuels...ows-msu-691308
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Oh, no. I'd much rather have coal creating our electricity. (kidding)
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01-21-2018, 11:42 AM
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01-21-2018, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
problem with solar is it takes lots of petroleum to build it. and you have major toxic elements to deal with when they are done.
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That is not a problem, because you can make, recycle, and destroy on the other side of the world, like in China. Out of sight, out of mind. This is a great scientific breakthrough.
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01-21-2018, 04:14 PM
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If they beat coal, they would be in mass production everywhere.
The only test of if they are a viable option is that business are making them.
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01-21-2018, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If they beat coal, they would be in mass production everywhere.
The only test of if they are a viable option is that business are making them.
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Solar power growth leaps by 50% worldwide thanks to US and China
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...hina-uk-europe
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01-21-2018, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If they beat coal, they would be in mass production everywhere.
The only test of if they are a viable option is that business are making them.
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They need 'subsidized' until the technology gets cost effective
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01-21-2018, 06:57 PM
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If that comes from government regulation, it is BS.
If it comes from greedy capitalist doing it, it is good.
What are you so bitter theses days?
I never said SP was bad, just forcing it.
I like the idea and fully support the decision to use it, based 100% on the market.
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01-22-2018, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
If that comes from government regulation, it is BS.
If it comes from greedy capitalist doing it, it is good.
What are you so bitter theses days?
I never said SP was bad, just forcing it.
I like the idea and fully support the decision to use it, based 100% on the market.
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BTW, Ouil and coal are sdubsidized
SEIA is the national trade association for the U.S. solar .
https://www.seia.org/solar-industry-data
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01-22-2018, 12:11 AM
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01-22-2018, 12:38 PM
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So go buy stock.
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01-22-2018, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
They need 'subsidized' until the technology gets cost effective
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Right now the problem with solar is storing the energy until it is needed. Batteries are simply not efficient enough. A few years back I attended a lecture where the speaker proposed that the energy be used to extract hydrogen from water. The hydrogen could then be stored until used as fuel. It could be distributed through existing pipe lines. The problem is that not many vehicles use natural gas powered engines.
However, when you burn gasoline in an engine you get carbon dioxide and water. If solar energy (electricity) could be used to force the process in reverse then from carbon dioxide and water you could produce gasoline. I asked a chemistry student if this could be done and he said "Funny you should mention that. I know some grad students who are working on it."
That's an ideal solution. Not only would we be using solar to produce gasoline but we'd be sucking carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, out of the atmosphere as well, killing two birds with one stone: cheap energy plus an end to global warming. I sounds too good to be true so it probably won't work, dammit.
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01-23-2018, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Actor
Right now the problem with solar is storing the energy until it is needed. Batteries are simply not efficient enough. A few years back I attended a lecture where the speaker proposed that the energy be used to extract hydrogen from water. The hydrogen could then be stored until used as fuel. It could be distributed through existing pipe lines. The problem is that not many vehicles use natural gas powered engines.
However, when you burn gasoline in an engine you get carbon dioxide and water. If solar energy (electricity) could be used to force the process in reverse then from carbon dioxide and water you could produce gasoline. I asked a chemistry student if this could be done and he said "Funny you should mention that. I know some grad students who are working on it."
That's an ideal solution. Not only would we be using solar to produce gasoline but we'd be sucking carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, out of the atmosphere as well, killing two birds with one stone: cheap energy plus an end to global warming. I sounds too good to be true so it probably won't work, dammit.
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Can't have an end to the global warming scam, too many liberals are making too much money off of it. Not to mention all those third world countries are relying on the modernized countries to subsidize their economies.
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